melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Bardo]

I'm not really worried about 8-24 man content.
Even if we're 30% below other DD's, we're going to have a spot in coil, and we'll be fine in most larger group content because we can buff several other players to make up for any deficiency.

What I'm worried about is the DF making 2 bard AK parties (or any 4 man that has a type of encounter like Demon Wall that's built around a damage requirement and/or DD limit break).
If you're not MASSIVELY overgeared, then those types of encounters that are tuned for a certain item level simply won't be possible with properly geared Bards if we're 30% below other DD's, still don't have a DD limit break, and our songs don't really do anything to buff another Bard.

[Leon_Stormrage]

The incoming patch changes will be fine. Bards are going to still do very well.

I'm happy to see so many other classes getting improvements. Any bonus to my party is a bonus for me as well.

Is sad that the only that think that are bards xD

[Thorauku]

BRD is not a pure DPS, it is a DPS/Support.

The reason people take BRDs is for their Songs and their Silence.

Really? Tell me more about it when they take out LNC cross skills (which is more likely to happen than taking out PGL cross skills) on BRDs.

-1 AoE DPSer, and we can't support well due to the fact that our song will be used for keeping up our TP.

Humhum~ someone didn't do their homework.

PS:
Why don't people realize that there's no DPS slash Support role in this game........

[Allyrion]

Humhum~ someone didn't do their homework.

PS:
Why don't people realize that there's no DPS slash Support role in this game........

Why are you being rude?
Garnatian spoke in present tense about the state of bards and you reply with a hypothetical situation.
How can you say he "didn't do his homework" if you're making stuff up AND he never said anything about the bard nerfs at all?

BRD being support dps is the most accurate assessment right now.
As I've said before, I don't think they deserve nerfing but that's because their low dps is balanced by their support.
Arguing Support vs DPS roles for Bard is the most BS semantics on this forum. Seriously, it is what it is.

Bard utility outweighs any other class by a significant margin. Bards have the lowest dps.
If Bards were pure dps and their support wasn't good, why is it that bard is the only job that gets a guaranteed spot for coil when they have the lowest potential dps?
Right. DPS/Support is pretty accurate.
They are neither pure support or pure dps. If they wanted to make bards pure dps, they wouldn't have songs. But then why would they be bards at all then?

[Leon_Stormrage]

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I totally agree with you, but the problem is the people that argument that and says "oh no bard is doing dps! It get the last position but nvm he is a support he doesn't have to do dps"

[OrionInerghem]

to be honest, all the was needed was the DPS boost on melee.

BRDs will always be needed for songs, and silence, they are crucial to endgame and you usually need 2, so now it'll be 2 with less DPS potential.

[Leon_Stormrage]

to be honest, all the was needed was the DPS boost on melee.

BRDs will always be needed for songs, and silence, they are crucial to endgame and you usually need 2, so now it'll be 2 with less DPS potential.

Exactly! Really we are not mandatory but have 1 or 2 Bards, make the things pretty easier, and not for the damage but the utility... We will see what happens after the patch. I really hope that the people start to pick Dragoon and Monks for their coil groups, I always run coil with a Dragoon and his damage is amazing.

[Allyrion]

Exactly! Really we are not mandatory but have 1 or 2 Bards, make the things pretty easier, and not for the damage but the utility... We will see what happens after the patch. I really hope that the people start to pick Dragoon and Monks for their coil groups, I always run coil with a Dragoon and his damage is amazing.

I don't really understand the nerf considering melee is already getting a buff.
I think we have to wait for patch notes like the one they released for warriors to really judge their plans.

It has a good balance of support and dps as it is right now.

[Yiikes]

Bard is suppose to be support from the first time.and its suppose to be outperformed by other dps class when it comes to dps.they just adjust it to the right track.with all the adjustment which we dont really know yet.we should stop crying like a kid.

Did you say the same thing to those "crying like a kid" about BARD OP CAN DPS AND MOVE!!!11!!!! NERF FOR THE LOVE OF GAAAAWD!!!!!11

[Thorauku]

Why are you being rude?
Garnatian spoke in present tense about the state of bards and you reply with a hypothetical situation.
How can you say he "didn't do his homework" if you're making stuff up AND he never said anything about the bard nerfs at all?

BRD being support dps is the most accurate assessment right now.
As I've said before, I don't think they deserve nerfing but that's because their low dps is balanced by their support.
Arguing Support vs DPS roles for Bard is the most BS semantics on this forum. Seriously, it is what it is.

Bard utility outweighs any other class by a significant margin. Bards have the lowest dps.
If Bards were pure dps and their support wasn't good, why is it that bard is the only job that gets a guaranteed spot for coil when they have the lowest potential dps?
Right. DPS/Support is pretty accurate.
They are neither pure support or pure dps. If they wanted to make bards pure dps, they wouldn't have songs. But then why would they be bards at all then?

Bards have a guaranteed spots in Coil parties due to their utility, yes it is true.

When the producer's Live Letter was released, the nerf was narrowed to the cross-skills in which there's only 3 of it being the most useful, Invigorate, Blood For Blood and Internal Release, now tell me, do you still think they will have a "Guaranteed" spot in coil parties if they were to take out let's say, LNC cross skills? While it is true that they will still have their song, assuming they take out Invigorate / BFB (which is most likely to happen because PGL is the requirement for BRD quest), most of their uptime songs will be focused on TP song alone, taking out Foe Requiem and Ballad.

Bring 2 Bards to keep TP Song and another X song? That's pretty stupid if I were to ask, it's like reducing your DPS potential into 3 man only.

Silence? Yeah, sure..... Paladins can do this too.

So where's the DPS slash Support there? When infact you need 2 Bards for a single Bard to be effective. Single Bard is very viable now due to their cross-skill, take it out and Bards will be crippled.

/stupid1000postlimithadtodomultipleeditting.