melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Mitski]

*SNIP*

Yes, I said ilvl50 is undergeared.

The GC weapon (ilvl 55) is obtainable by a fresh 50, and you can run WP before AK which provides gear upgrades and tomes to purchase even better upgrades. Crafted gear is also an option. For some classes (e.g. PLD), the 2-star craft items are actually less philosophy tomes than Darklight, and after you meld it, it will be much better. You can have adequate armor/accessories for Coil before you even attempt AK or Ifirit, and there's no reason to do either without a minimum ilvl55 weapon.

Also, I never said that the duty finder should "intentionally separate bards". My point (which you missed) is that it may be unwise for the duty finder to pair 4x any single class together. Discouraging class stacking is one of the reasons SE is changing BRD in 2.1. So again, while you may have a valid complaint about 2x/4x BRD parties, that is a problem with the duty finder NOT your class.

[Akirakogami]

Not sure what kind of cc you're talking about? Crowd Controls are distributed on multiple classes. I'm not sure if there is a cc that is only locked to 1 class/job.

apparently bard is the only class with a silence.

all other crowd controls are useless in coil. kinda silly.

[Leon_Stormrage]

apparently bard is the only class with a silence.

all other crowd controls are useless in coil. kinda silly.

At least 3 classes have silence, without count Selene.

[Mitski]

Selene is unreliable, but PLD and BRD can both silence without a DPS loss.

MNK can silence when needed for a small DPS loss.

[ArckThanis]

I would like to point out that the game is still only at level 50 cap. They are eventually going to raise level cap which means new traits, skills, songs to further the suppory role of the brd. And they will probably get some New DPS skills too.

[Cynric]

Duty Finder already looks for any job to fill the spot that is different than your own before giving you someone of the same job in an attempt to balance groups out. It isnr as rare to find a 2 bard party in df due to the high amount of people playing bard and using duty finder. If you ever go in as monk or dragoon the odd you will also see another monk or dragoon is severely low except for dead times.

However the design to attempt to seperate bards from each other already exists. There are just far more bards than other DPS classes. Maybe the nerf will cause Bards to move on to other jobs allowing duty finder to compensate better.

[WiseWolfHolo]

Bard is suppose to be support from the first time.and its suppose to be outperformed by other dps class when it comes to dps.they just adjust it to the right track.with all the adjustment which we dont really know yet.we should stop crying like a kid.

So drgs r just as bad in the game as the forums. Bottom line is bard dps cannot come close right now to where the smart and talented drg players are, bards fall 220ish while pro monks and drgs r near 270. The nerf is completely to cater to the casual QQ community that think of themselves before the group. Ultimately who cares who does more damage as a dps, you are a team start acting like one. Stop having some god mode complex where I must have the highest dps numbers in the game because from all the QQ it is from melee dps not knowing how to play their class and have some made up idea that omg a bard is beating me in dps so not right.
Now more on topic, the problem I see with the nerf is that really you do not even need a bard for anything, it makes it convenient but ultimately pally, monk or selene can purely remove bard from the picture if its already low dps gets cut.

[Mister-Wonderful]

So drgs r just as bad in the game as the forums. Bottom line is bard dps cannot come close right now to where the smart and talented drg players are, bards fall 220ish while pro monks and drgs r near 270. The nerf is completely to cater to the casual QQ community that think of themselves before the group. Ultimately who cares who does more damage as a dps, you are a team start acting like one. Stop having some god mode complex where I must have the highest dps numbers in the game because from all the QQ it is from melee dps not knowing how to play their class and have some made up idea that omg a bard is beating me in dps so not right.
Now more on topic, the problem I see with the nerf is that really you do not even need a bard for anything, it makes it convenient but ultimately pally, monk or selene can purely remove bard from the picture if its already low dps gets cut.

You have not met a good bard then. Bard easily pushes past most any dps when equally geared, especially in burst damage due to all the buffs to stack.

Why do people get offended and bash others like this person when they know nothing themselves?

[Allyrion]

You have not met a good bard then. Bard easily pushes past most any dps when equally geared, especially in burst damage due to all the buffs to stack.

Why do people get offended and bash others like this person when they know nothing themselves?

Not picking a side in this, but your argument is "Your anecdotal evidence doesn't match my anecdotal evidence so you must be misinformed or ignorant."

[Viridiana]

Lots of the things on that list don't count. Please, when have you actively had to dodge center golem attacks, Eye of terror, Cad's split attacks, imminent catastrophe, rockslide, etc.

I have to dodge Eye of Terror on average 2 times per AK, because I'm killing the adds by myself. Rockslide, same thing, I'm likely tanking the add. Cad's spit attacks are a constant of that fight; if you aren't dodging them, your healer hates you. Imminent Catastrophe I dodge 2-3 times a fight usually, because I don't just sit in the boss's circle. Also, I counted, and about 25 of the things I listed can be dodged without leaving melee range.

But please, do go on.