melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Aureliami]

The only people who will be affected by this are people who try to cheese coil by bringing 2 bards instead of bringing other classes.

When half the DPS slots go to a bard there is an issue with the game, this patch will hopefully fix this issue.

Bards will always get 1 spot in a group so if your group has 1 bard in it already this patch will change nothing for you so stop whining.

[OPneedNerfs]

Too bad monks will still be picked over dragoons for that last dps slot in coil...

[Viridiana]

. . . now tell me, do you still think they will have a "Guaranteed" spot in coil parties if they were to take out let's say, LNC cross skills? While it is true that they will still have their song, assuming they take out Invigorate / BFB (which is most likely to happen because PGL is the requirement for BRD quest), most of their uptime songs will be focused on TP song alone, taking out Foe Requiem and Ballad.

You realize they can take B4B from us while still leaving us Inv, right? Or, y'know, change the untraited form of B4B/IR to be weaker while leaving the traited form alone. Or any number of things that won't royally screw us in regards to TP. I understand that the nerf is only going to weaken our already sub-par dps, and that it's silly all around, but there's not enough evidence yet to say that it's going to be catastrophic. . .

[Shadowzanon]

I actually wonder how those drg and monks who master their class and manage to keep their dps as high as the range classes will bloat out with a 10% increase in their dmg. i know most only asked was for extended times on their buffs like greased lightning so they wont lose stacks.

The only issue bards had was well bard stacking for songs, if they would just kill the ability to stack songs then there would be no issue. our coils group only has one bard and we dont care about him using silence. his dps is up there but out of all the dps hes the lowest. yet we consider him our mvp. I just hope whatever change doesnt hit bards to hard. yes granted due to their utility they will have a garanteed spot. but leave their dmg alone.

[Tilgung]

I don't really understand the nerf considering melee is already getting a buff.

The issue being that even with DRG and MNK having their damage increased, Coil is still currently doable with Bard stacking. Even on DPS checks, having a couple bards isn't detrimental. And those Bards have great utility/ease of play that's going to favor them over others. Reducing BRD DPS might possibly force some hands and encourage groups to take another heavier DPS instead of double BRD.

[Thorauku]

You realize they can take B4B from us while still leaving us Inv, right? Or, y'know, change the untraited form of B4B/IR to be weaker while leaving the traited form alone. Or any number of things that won't royally screw us in regards to TP. I understand that the nerf is only going to weaken our already sub-par dps, and that it's silly all around, but there's not enough evidence yet to say that it's going to be catastrophic. . .

Well, if they only change the untraited form, I'm pretty much sure that it won't be BRD exclusive, so other class will suffer as well.

One way or another, if they will remove any of the 3 cross-skills I mentioned before, it will cripple BRDs. A win-win situation? I guess not. People who asked for BRDs nerf will realize that it's their own loss.

Goodluck on another set of QQ SE.

PS:
If they were to nerf BRD, why not just reduce the Proc rate of River of Blood, it's pretty OP if they will leave it as is.

[bayz]

If u are not crying because u scare not going to get pick in coil.why u post this then?we have so many similar thread like this out there.a bard will still need for their utility.they just make it so a group now will pick more melee then stacking more bard.

[Mekhana]

I guess not. People who asked for BRDs nerf will realize that it's their own loss.

Nope. Melee buff should compensate for BRD nerf easily.

All this whining I get from bards all the time makes me almost forget you guys are/were the most spoiled job in this game. If being the most shouted for Coil job wasn't enough because SE turned Bard into such special snowflakes, you also are ranged meaning you don't have to deal with 50% of the crap we melee dps and tanks have to deal with. In fact, you have to deal with even less stuff than the other ranged dps does because you don't get stuck mid rotation while dodging. Also Bard is such a easy class to play, the only challenge you guys will ever have is timing interrupts.

The only thing that its going to change is that 8 mans might start having 2 melee and 2 ranged dps due to the LB changes. Yoshi-p said the LB gauge would fill faster the more different jobs the group has.

Stop being such crybabies. You obviously want the best of both worlds. If you want to be top of the DPS charts then play a real job like DRG or Monk, otherwise:

[Thorauku]

If u are not crying because u scare not going to get pick in coil.why u post this then?we have so many similar thread like this out there.a bard will still need for their utility.they just make it so a group now will pick more melee then stacking more bard.

Statement that came from a person who knows nothing about BRD.

Edit:
And who said that we're the top when it comes to DPS? Parsers? You don't know how pathetic BRDs DPS in end game contents.

Free DPS while moving? Seriously? Is that even an arguement? Bitch please, Melee class' DPS is way above even if BRDs can DPS while moving.

[Delorean]

I'm worried that the cumulative effect from both of these will result in BRDs really being outperformed badly by other classes in their key role, which is DPS in this game.

Just because your role is supposed to deal damage does not mean that it is all that it brings to the group.

But if damage is all that a class brings to a group, shouldn't it be the highest damage class in the game?