Level Sync broken past level 50

[Allyrion]

This comes across to me as either your friends can't be bothered to put on/get lower item gear or they don't want to.
Thus you came to the forums to force them or change the system cause getting lower gear is too much effort.

If SE ever decides to sync the content, I won't cry about it. But the reason shouldn't be because you don't feel like working with the current one.
Why do none of these threads ever suggest it as an optional feature?
That way, you and your friends can enjoy it while not making everyone play like you. It's a decent suggestion once you add that one word - OPTIONAL.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

When you really think about it, there is very little difference between syncing for WP and syncing for DD. The biggest problem, and why they can't/won't implement ilevel sync right now is because there are no other dungeons. If there were multiple i55, i60, i70, and i80 dungeons. You wouldn't care so much about ilvl sync, it would essentially be the same as level syncing for leveling dungeons. The problem is, they haven't released these dungeons yet and that's why having that Allagan weapon would be meaningless outside of coil, as there is no 2.0 content outside of coil that an Allagan weapon would not sync down to.

There is a lot insted. If i take a lvl 20 dungeon with a lvl 20 class, it's natural i have equip for a lvl 20. But when i'm doing a lvl 50 dungeon with lvl 50 equip, i should be gimped because the single iLvl is highter ? That's madness.

[IzumiRaito]

The ilvl sync should be to the ilvl of items dropped in such dungeon. Ak? sync from 60. Wp? sync from 55, although sync 60 can be ok. That will make CT sync from 80. So that requiring items much better than dropped there becomes pointless. No more relic +1 req for wp.

[zdub303]

There is a lot insted. If i take a lvl 20 dungeon with a lvl 20 class, it's natural i have equip for a lvl 20. But when i'm doing a lvl 50 dungeon with lvl 50 equip, i should be gimped because the single iLvl is highter ? That's madness.

Maybe its just perspective then, I view WP as a level 55 dungeon, AK as a level 60 dungeon, HM Primals as level 70 Trials, and Coil as a level 90 dungeon(is it really a 'raid' if its still just an 8 person party?). When you think of it like that, there is functionally no difference. The problem is, AK and WP are the only level dungeons we can grind for myth tomes. If we had a full suite of dungeons from 55 up through 80, ilevel sync would make more sense.

It would be beneficial for the long term health of the game, at least in my opinion, but a system like that isn't ready until they've actually released dungeons with that kind of equipment requirement. Otherwise, all ilevel sync would do atm would be to downsync most of the gear the majority of the player base is working on, which would just serve to piss most people off.

However, the kind of culture that not having ilevel sync is currently fostering is that a person's worth in game is their ilevel. I've DF'd a few WPs with people who weren't full darklight and it was awful when compare to doing SRs with people that are ~i80 average right now. With ilevel sync, hardcore players and casual players are essentially on generally the same footing when running content that is below max tier.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Then yes, it's a matter of viewpoint. And i would say semantics too, because there isn't any dungeon 55, 60, 80 or 90. The cap is 50, the weapons are 50. iLvl is a way to judge their potency.
When i do wp and coil i'm not doing a lvl 55 and a lvl 90 dungeon: i'm doing two lvl 50 dungeons with differents requisites in gear potency to take them down. It have nothing to do with how much a member is worth, but just the way the content is designed. I'll make an example: ADS. That boss is designed to be a dps race or then it's wipe for sure. Now, assuming a party is made by competent persons, if all of them wear iLvl 50 gear there's no way they could beat it, because its mechanic prevent you to progress further until upgrade yourself. To do so, you have to run lower content, such as AK/WP or the future CT.
I'm sorry if you think iLvl is what make the worth of a person. However, a worthy person if undergeared will still not beat the content.

Back on topic, what change from running WP with synched gear and without ? Certanly not the difficult, only the time to complete it.

[hallena]

No, i worked for my gear and i'll use it where i want. Stop trying to take that from me because you're too lazy to form a group with undergeared people.

I already ran AK a crapton of time while being undergeared for my darklight so i could do titan so i could do coil so don't even bother with the "hur dur they don't like challenge" stupid logic

[Schwerpunkt]

So you say, if you enter a level50 instance, and your gear is over ilevel55, it should be synched to ilevel55?

I wouldn't say 55 exactly, but close enough that the content can still be somewhat challenging.

The whole point of syncing levels was to keep higher level players from carrying lower level players through instances. They wanted the groups to have to work together, so it just doesn't make sense for all of that to be thrown out the window at level 50. Groups can still be carried because ilvl continues to grow even if level does not.

Either it doesn't matter and level syncing should be done away with altogether.. Or it does matter and ilvl should be synced as well. You cannot justify one without also justifying the other.

[Sixmp]

I wouldn't say 55 exactly, but close enough that the content can still be somewhat challenging.

The whole point of syncing levels was to keep higher level players from carrying lower level players through instances. They wanted the groups to have to work together, so it just doesn't make sense for all of that to be thrown out the window at level 50. Groups can still be carried because ilvl continues to grow even if level does not.

Either it doesn't matter and level syncing should be done away with altogether.. Or it does matter and ilvl should be synced as well. You cannot justify one without also justifying the other.

Level sync was made so people could drop level to play with people who were LOWER level. Level 50 people are level 50 regardless of ilevel of equipment.
Also @vuduy the title of this thread is totally wrong. Nothing is broken, just because you do not like something doesn't mean it is broken.

[Airikay]

I run WP and AK for tomes, not because I enjoy them. So I want to finish them quickly. They got stale after the millionth time. If I want a challenge, I do coil. These dungeons were never a challenge in the first place, they just took longer. If I want fun or something new I que a bunch of random dungeon and run whichever pops first. You're free to limit yourself by only wear AF, WP, or AK gear.

[Schwerpunkt]

Level sync was made so people could drop level to play with people who were LOWER level. Level 50 people are level 50 regardless of ilevel of equipment.

No, because being synced was only a prerequisite SE decided on. If you weren't synced, you'd still be able to play with your level 20 friend in a level 20 instance at level 50.

You have to look at the reason why level syncing exists in the first place. SE didn't want players who were over-leveled participating in instances because they'd have too much of an advantage.
.. but the same applies to ilvl. Someone who is over-geared in level 50 instances will have a huge advantage. So why not force them to sync as well?

It doesn't make sense that it applies only to level when ilvl is just as important. Both should be synced or neither should be synced. To keep it as it currently is solves only half the problem SE thinks exists.