A plea to reconsider Inner Beast changes

[Kitru]

If you're getting 2k out of Inner Beast

If you're getting 2k out of Inner Beast without Berserk or a crit, it's because you're stacking the living hell out of STR and are going to die to any burst damage for content you're not overgeared for. Gauging IB performance off of what you can manage dressed like a DPS rather than a tank isn't going to give you a legitimate view on how useful it is.

[Paikis]

If you're getting 2k out of Inner Beast without Berserk or a crit, it's because you're stacking the living hell out of STR and are going to die to any burst damage for content you're not overgeared for. Gauging IB performance off of what you can manage dressed like a DPS rather than a tank isn't going to give you a legitimate view on how useful it is.

I'm wearing Gryphonskin melded with VIT and Parry. I hardly think that counts as gearing like a DPS. I also have all my stat points in VIT. I have 8,000HP in my current setup. I use this setup to tank everything in the game, including Turn 5.

Incidentally, i took my Gryphonskin stuff off and went and smacked a dummy. 450-500 damage, no crits, no berserk. 1.5k healed. This means your healer has to be healing you for 2,680 per GCD for it to be a net loss. Again, better to be using Inner Beast.

None of this matters though, because this game uses spike damage to kill tanks. You use Inner Beast to not die to the auto-attacks immediately after the large spike, and then you're fine for 30 seconds. 15% more healing is completely irrelevant when your healer can keep you alive just fine without it.

Stop looking at averages over long periods of time, and realise that this game works based on spikes. You need the healing NOW, not spread out of the next 20 seconds. Yoshi was right, you lot do need a nice warm glass of L2P.

[Hitokirinomad]

Paikis,

Do you know why your comment is so completely, utterly fail?

"There's also the matter of Wrath and the use of Inner Beast. I believe that a lot of players are using Inner Beast to self-cure when taking a large amount of damage, but after becoming infuriated with five stacks of Wrath, players receive a 15% curing bonus, so instead of using Inner Beast right after taking heavy damage, I think it would be better to wait for heals from a white mage or scholar."

Guess where that quote is taken? In fact, don't guess, I will tell you. It's a quote from YOSHI commenting on what HIS optimum envisioned playstyle for Warrior is.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

[Kitru]

I'm wearing Gryphonskin melded with VIT and Parry. I hardly think that counts as gearing like a DPS. I also have all my stat points in VIT. I have 8,000HP in my current setup. I use this setup to tank everything in the game, including Turn 5.

At 8k hp with Gryphonskin, you're in full i90 or equivalent. At that point, you're overgearing Coil since you don't even *need* any gear from there any more. Try talking about the use of the ability with, you know, numbers for people that *aren't* running around in full absolute BiS. I manage 1.2k on my WAR (relic + 3/5 AF2 and 70/90 jewelry mix), which is what I'm going off of.

Also, you're not comparing IB against a single healer's contributions. You should be comparing it against both healers. As soon as you get into 8 man, the value of Inner Beast *plummets* because of this. 2 healers in gear equal to yours are going to manage more than enough to render your IB heal less efficient than Wrath stacks.

As to the whole "burst v. average" thing, I look at both. Inner Beast is only useful in the sense that you describe it when you've been hit for a substantial amount of damage *without* getting healed immediately before a large spike. Any reasonable decent healer is going to have you either topped off or shielded before that first hit in the first place so Inner Beast is only there for the post-spike recovery, at which point it is *less efficient*, not to mention that, if your healers are healing you regularly like they're supposed to, IB is pretty much *always* at least some portion of wasted overheal (especially when it crit/berserks/etc.). Average mitigation is important because of healer resources. Healers inevitably run out of mp when they're not outgearing content. If you've got amazing spike survivability but no mean mitigation, your healers are going to bottom out faster.

I know how to play WAR. I also know exactly *why* the whole L2P argument is fundamentally flawed and is really only an excuse that ego-driven elitists use to justify their performance when it's really just healers making up for the inadequacies of the class that they just don't want to admit to.