So which is it Yoshi?

[Welsper59]

Yes I'm aware, it says that in my OP.

I just don't really get the point of the arguments that are going on here. I've always understood what you mentioned in the OP, that the best gear should not be made available through tomes (as they're accessible by easy dungeons, over a long period of time), and that they should be ideally exclusive through coil. That it will give reason to do them repeatedly. I can respect that.

But what I don't get is the justification behind that reason. As you know, you still have to run coil for BiS gear. Why isn't that reason enough? You're essentially doing it for that reason anyway, even if tome rewards were non-existent. What are you going to do with that gear? You can clearly beat content without it. Is it just for a status thing? We currently have that in place. Is it for preparation for the next patch? You can easily reach that point with or without tomes. What is your justification behind wanting to find a reason to farm an instance repeatedly?

It's an honest question btw, as I would imagine most people would be content with the idea that they have more options available to them for acquiring the gear they farm for (one way or another). One of which also allows for some BiS gear to be obtained through raiding.

[ReiszRie]

I just don't really get the point of the arguments that are going on here. I've always understood what you mentioned in the OP, that the best gear should not be made available through tomes (as they're accessible by easy dungeons, over a long period of time), and that they should be ideally exclusive through coil. That it will give reason to do them repeatedly. I can respect that.

But what I don't get is the justification behind that reason. As you know, you still have to run coil for BiS gear. Why isn't that reason enough? You're essentially doing it for that reason anyway, even if tome rewards were non-existent. What are you going to do with that gear? You can clearly beat content without it. Is it just for a status thing? We currently have that in place. Is it for preparation for the next patch? You can easily reach that point with or without tomes. What is your justification behind wanting to find a reason to farm an instance repeatedly?

It's an honest question btw, as I would imagine most people would be content with the idea that they have more options available to them for acquiring the gear they farm for (one way or another). One of which also allows for some BiS gear to be obtained through raiding.

absolute BiS gear isn't necessarily worth the effort in running coil when Mythology gear are superior to Allagan in some slots and inferior (secondary stats) in other slots, it wouldn't technically matter if a character in full Mythology gear vs one in BiS as both BiS and Mythology are equivalent in primary stats and BiS only serves to provide a small edge over full Mythology but requires the repeated running of coil and dealing with RNG

[Sephirah]

It's an honest question btw, as I would imagine most people would be content with the idea that they have more options available to them for acquiring the gear they farm for (one way or another). One of which also allows for some BiS gear to be obtained through raiding.

The problem is when one option is significantly easier, and open to everyone, and those people are then rewarded with the "same" gear as the people going through coils. Aside from saying, hey we're in coils, what point is there? You get back in town and then see everyone else in the gear you're wearing, that they earned through WP. What you're saying would be true if coil gear was truely BiS, but it really isn't.

Just using tank gear as an example, the alagan/myth gear is the exact same, except parry, and accuracy are switched on some of them. So to get "BiS" is getting a combination that gives you the most parry possible while still remaining at/over the soft-cap on accuracy. The defense/vit etc are all the same.

Again, the main point of this thread is that Yoshi said he wants the best gear in the game to be exclusive to the hardest ingame dungeon at any time, which at this moment, is coils. But then in another post, says they want everyone, even casual players to be able to access the i90 gear, which is on par with the coils gear. So these are very contradicting statements, and I'd really like a dev update about it.

[Welsper59]

You guys should do what i did.
I cancelled my account and moved on.
This game Will NEVER have a place for hardcore gamers.
I'm sorry for Square, this game will not last them the years FFXI have lasted
FFXI lasted because of the Hardcore content, the time sinks in some things and the dedication of players wanting to do the challenging content,
This game at the most will last 1-2 years, because of that Easy content that everybody can do and the Ridiculous cap the game has on that same content.
The casual players that play this game will leave as soon Elder scrolls online is released.
Because that's what they do, they buy a game play it for 3-4 months while a new mmorpg is released and leave.

Something seems connected with the bolded statements there...

The problem is when one option is significantly easier, and open to everyone, and those people are then rewarded with the "same" gear as the people going through coils. Aside from saying, hey we're in coils, what point is there? You get back in town and then see everyone else in the gear you're wearing, that they earned through WP. What you're saying would be true if coil gear was truely BiS, but it really isn't.

Just using tank gear as an example, the alagan/myth gear is the exact same, except parry, and accuracy are switched on some of them. So to get "BiS" is getting a combination that gives you the most parry possible while still remaining at/over the soft-cap on accuracy. The defense/vit etc are all the same.

Again, the main point of this thread is that Yoshi said he wants the best gear in the game to be exclusive to the hardest ingame dungeon at any time, which at this moment, is coils. But then in another post, says they want everyone, even casual players to be able to access the i90 gear, which is on par with the coils gear. So these are very contradicting statements, and I'd really like a dev update about it.

I had a response to this, but I accidentally closed the reply box, so I don't really feel like redoing that. I'll just say things may not be as literal as you think they are. "Best" can be categorized, it does not have to be exclusive to a single thing (or in this case, set of items). It could be possible they want you to get gear from tomes, of which you also obtain through Coil, as part of the "best" setup. Or it could be possible that it's a statement referring mostly to the future, as the current setup is either temporarily going to be this way (e.g. just during launch patch) or it was an oversight for whatever reason. None of us know, which is why I say to not take things too literally simply for the sake of argument.

*yes, that top statement is intended to be a truthful irony with that last sentence*