So which is it Yoshi?

[Giantbane]

Again, however they balanced it is IRRELEVANT to what is in the game RIGHT NOW. And that, is a dungeon that can have turns 1-4 cleared in DL gear, WAR or PLD makes no difference, they're both do-able.

I think you're missing the point entirely about what we're talking about here. We aren't talking about how difficult a dungeon should be, or class balance. We're talking about people getting gear thats just as good, and in some cases better than binding coils, for running wanderer's palace.

Oh, I get what you're saying, but you seem to complete misunderstand me.

The situation with coil RIGHT NOW is because they screwed up.
They are NOT going to fix it RIGHT NOW because they are more afraid of making other customers unhappy than they are of making you unhappy because coil as it exists RIGHT NOW is too easy.

However, because they originally intended things to be more difficult, then what you are asking for will likely happen for future end game content releases. However, you have to WAIT FOR IT.

As far as running WP or AK for myth level gear, the balance that they are intending is that they get the same stuff as hard core players. Just that the hard core players get it much faster. You asked what his intention was. It seems pretty clear to me.

[Thunderz]

Giving out ilevel90 for grinding the easiest content at level 50 is pretty dumb

its not challenge or even fun. When the hardest content in the game isn't BiS and you have to swap in Af2 then yeah its a slap in the face for people who raid (some allagan and AF2 have the exact same stats)

personally if they want to keep doing this then the next set of Token gear should be 1 tier behind the raided content (ilevel 110 raided, ilevel 100 token)

That way its actually worth getting all the raid gear and be proud of your accomplishment. not this joke of a system

[Hayward]

Giving out ilevel90 for grinding the easiest content at level 50 is pretty dumb

its not challenge or even fun. When the hardest content in the game isn't BiS and you have to swap in Af2 then yeah its a slap in the face for people who raid (some allagan and AF2 have the exact same stats)

personally if they want to keep doing this then the next set of Token gear should be 1 tier behind the raided content (ilevel 110 raided, ilevel 100 token)

That way its actually worth getting all the raid gear and be proud of your accomplishment. not this joke of a system

So you can't brag up and down about your Allagan gear and wave your internet bozack around like a maniac. Big deal. The game's not all about you Junior Jenkinses. What's so wrong about people who have things going on in real life having the chance to get gear of the same item level on their terms and not have to go through the toxic politics of endgame groups?

[Licus]

So you can't brag up and down about your Allagan gear and wave your internet bozack around like a maniac. Big deal. The game's not all about you Junior Jenkinses. What's so wrong about people who have things going on in real life having the chance to get gear of the same item level on their terms and not have to go through the toxic politics of endgame groups?

Wish that logic applied in all facets of life. I would love an all expenses paid three month vacation to puerto rico to drop in my lap just from waiting for enough time to pass. No need to work for such things if I can just mindlessly wait for stuff.

[Taruranto]

It's kinda baffling, because some Jobs have better stuff on myth than Coil. I'm a SCH, I cleared up to T4 and I'm preparing myself T5, I prefer to wear my AF Body over the Allagan Body, does this mean i'm less skilled?

So you can't brag up and down about your Allagan gear and wave your internet bozack around like a maniac. Big deal. The game's not all about you Junior Jenkinses. What's so wrong about people who have things going on in real life having the chance to get gear of the same item level on their terms and not have to go through the toxic politics of endgame groups?

"Everyone must be able to get everything" is the kind of mentality that is killing MMORPG. If you don't have time to work toward end-game content and gears, well, it means you won't get them. High dedication=high reward.

[zdub303]

So you can't brag up and down about your Allagan gear and wave your internet bozack around like a maniac. Big deal. The game's not all about you Junior Jenkinses. What's so wrong about people who have things going on in real life having the chance to get gear of the same item level on their terms and not have to go through the toxic politics of endgame groups?

Directly from Yoshi though, "We also believe that the strongest gear available at a given time should not be obtainable by all players." - However, Myth is available to all players and in some slots is the absolute strongest gear in the game atm.

[Naunet]

personally if they want to keep doing this then the next set of Token gear should be 1 tier behind the raided content (ilevel 110 raided, ilevel 100 token)

No, all they need to do is not provide an entire set of gear for tokens. The token gear should be used as side grides and supplemental items for when raid drop RNG is not treating you well. There's no need to drop it a tier behind the raid.

[zdub303]

i do agree with the OP... myth gear probably shouldn't have ever been BiS gear.

They probably should have made myth gear i85 - to replace CT gear until you could get BiS Allagan drops.

As it stands, esp with the increased cap in 2.1, they will make it really hard for people to want to continue to run coil once their toon is geared in a mix of allagan/myth and full i90.

This gives those hardcore basement dwellers something to work for (full allagan) while making the difference between myth and allagan fairly small for the 99%ers.

[NekoHina]

Wasn't the point to reward all player regardless of playing style? If you are hardcore, you can simply tackle the challenge and get the gear faster.

[zdub303]

Wasn't the point to reward all player regardless of playing style? If you are hardcore, you can simply tackle the challenge and get the gear faster.

This would be true if Allagan gear was better than myth gear, but in many cases it is not. Therefore, no matter how hardcore you are, if you can cap 300 myth tomes you progress at the exact same rate as everyone else and this can easily be done in one of the easiest end-game dungeons, Wanderer's Palace.

Additionally, going into coil and killing bosses does not guarantee gear. You can go weeks without ever seeing an upgrade.

As far as running WP or AK for myth level gear, the balance that they are intending is that they get the same stuff as hard core players. Just that the hard core players get it much faster. You asked what his intention was. It seems pretty clear to me.

Hardcore players don't get myth gear any faster than casual players. As long as you cap 300 myth tomes per week, you get myth gear just as fast as the most hardcore players in the game. In regards to hardcore players getting Allagan gear, see above.