So which is it Yoshi?

[Axidrain]

It's really hard to follow anything you're saying, you're mixing up your arguments and everyone is getting lost along the way, including you. We know that some of the items in coils are BiS, and we know that the challenge is reason enough to do it.

But what WE are saying, is that beating something for the challenge or experience only works ONCE. After that, there needs to be a reason to run something. If you can get gear that is just as good/sometimes better that the gear you get in the hardest dungeon, by running the easiest lvl 50 dungeon, then once you beat it initially, there becomes VERY little reason to run it again.

well thats the thing. if u want THE BEST setup for ur toon. ur gonna have to mix myth and allagan. which is kinda what keeps people coming back to coil. that and the fact that not that many people have cleared twintania yet.