Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Sinax]

case 2:
PLD -> 6000hp, loses 2880, only needs 2880 to be healed.
WAR -> 7500hp, loses 3600, if healed of 2880 + 20% = 3465, it still has 7635 hp, so 22,7% more then a pld

However in your case you are not considering overhealed HP. that is an advantage for war.

Also stoneskin is 5% more effective on war
Lustrate (almost useless on a pld compared to a normal heal from a relic healer) works pretty well on war

not going into damage mitigation however.
still need the numbers for that and i believe pld will still be better. also holmgang is nowhere close to hallowed ground

Please check your math. 7500 - 3600 = 3900 + 3465 =7365. 135 short of healing the full amount of damage taken.

Also, I'm not considering any outside buffs of either class, just Defiance vs Shield Oath. That would require making 1290381209381290389029054(not really but you get the idea) scenarios to be made.

Edited to add that more health means nothing if I need more heals to make up for the damage I take. Warriors cost more mana for healers to keep alive.

[Dhex]

I mean it's not like you can.. you know... level both Tank classes or something. That'd be insane. Next you'll be telling me how they wear pretty much identical gear and can even share most of their equipments sets...

What? You can!?

Madness!

[ZDamned]

I completely agree with Wizhard. A short duration, short cooldown mitigation skill needs either be given to both tanks or neither.

You have shield Block, we don't. Stop with your complaints, your already over viable.

[Ladon]

You have shield Block, we don't. Stop with your complaints, your already over viable.

Yeah, now only if I could magically tell the game when I need to shield block every time to make it at all comparable.

[Wizhard]

I mean would u really like your rampart to be 30 sec recast 5 sec duration?

Of course i would. Hell id even settle for 3 sec duration.

[ZDamned]

Not sure about the Lustrate, but I assume the stoneskin part cause WAR has more HP and Stoneskin scales off HP.

That mathematically works still in favor of Paladins. =P Stone Skin takes damage after the 20% Shield Oath reduction, so it's a wash pretty much, otherwise 2-4 points of damage in favor of Paladins.

UNLESS timed to be cast with Thrill of Battle up, in which case, Warrior gets a Super powered Stone Skin. 25% Hp + 20% more HP to work with, but again, thats a coordinated buff with a Buff scenario, and only useful for 3 casts per 2 minutes.

[ZDamned]

Yeah, now only if I could magically tell the game when I need to shield block every time to make it at all comparable.

You do realize that without using Inner Beast on cooldown, we effectivly waste our advantage entirely, as well as our Self-Heals... right? The skill is there to be used, and in it's current form warriors are NOT using it, just for the sake of making up for the already overpowering mitigation paladins have WITHOUT using cool downs. We also didn't have a -Strength de-buff that was up 100% of the time before either, which you effectively put up without thinking about it. AND You have hallowed Ground, Bulwark, + Stone Skin cast able on yourself when you want it.
I can't believe any paladin would complain about this..

[Leiron]

again, do your math. 20% more hp + 20% more heals = 20% def.=

No...no it does not.

[Elemia]

Awful lot of Paladins QQing in this thread about how they won't necessarily be the go-to tank for everything in the game any more

20 pages later I see this is still the case

[NightReach]

what's the matter? i have both war and pld.
war is my main, but i still think that pld will be batter even after 2.1

at least for contents when you need a more solid tank. war will always deal more damage :P

Its funny that u say youre a warrior main when u dont even know that inner beast is NOT off GCD. and 2 warrior doesnt do more damage, they just do more burst.