Thread: Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

Originally Posted by DeeJayImut

MRD = mitigation
high dps
great aoe
high hp pool

Do you even WAR? ...or READ? For that matter...

People cry because WAR wasn't on par with PLD
People cry because WAR gets buffs and fear PLD is useless now, even without testing these changes
People cry because WARs stun is still on a bigger cooldown than the PLDs even without knowing that 20s might be enough to block the dangerous bloss skills.
People cry because WAR can't still root Adds in place even if they have f***ing scorpion move now
People should wait, test things out and not jump into conclusions
People would cry less that way

Actually you can do Titan with half DL and half Hoplite.
I've done it before myself.

I like all the crying over the Twintania references. Oh no, Warrior will be the preferred tank for this SINGLE ENCOUNTER, in A SINGLE DUNGEON. When, as the game stands now, Paladin is now the preferred tank for this encounter, and every other in Coil insofar.

There's really 2 types of players in the game right now who tank Coil, with a few brave outliers in strong FCs.
Type 1: Those who rolled Paladin, and brought it to 50, geared up, started Coil.
Type 2: Those who rolled Warrior, brought it to 50, geared up – and immediately saw the class imbalance between the two tanks, so they rolled Paladin, brought it to 50, geared up, started coil.

Broad generalisation incoming – anyone complaining about these changes is likely a Type 1.

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It is not fun to play an mmo, enjoy leveling, enjoy story content, only to arrive at max level and find the playing field un-level. It's also not fun, to play an mmo, enjoy leveling etc and have your class nerfed. So, in this situation, is anyone being nerfed? No. They're simply improving the gameplay experience for the other half of tanks out there. And, guess what? We're on your side! You should want warriors balanced, you should want warriors to be slightly better at something than you, as you are better at some things as well. I can see this kind of crying when it comes to faction-based games, because that's war, but christ these are your fellow gamers.

This thread is in stark contrast to a thread that is built upon actual theory, instead of bullet points soaked in Paladin tears.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...30#post1582330

I think SE should think this way: if I can bring two paladins, why should I bring a warrior? Paladins have everything best in game.

On top of those buffs, I'd suggest give warrior a silencing skill and an AoE blind effect, or simply remove Spirits Within and Enhanced Flash from paladins.

Otherwise, unless you're gonna bring multiple bards, you'll have a hard time even at ADS in Coil Turn 1...

Back to the question: Why should I bring a warrior if I have two paladins?

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

Originally Posted by Muziko

I don't see how the 20% Defiance is equivalent to Shield Oath. Shield Oath still seems much better to me.

Shield Oath stops 20% of damage from coming in altogether. Less stress on healers because the damage never took place.

Defiance adds 20% percent to incoming heals after the fact. There's still a ton of stress on Mister WHM over there to pour those heals on.

Can someone explain why those two are supposedly equivalent even though WAR requires a healer to take advantage of this "mitigation"?

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

Originally Posted by Gardes

Because if a pld doesnt get healed, he'll still die? Go ahead, try using sentinel against mountain buster and then have everybody else stop doing what they're doing and see what happens.

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

Originally Posted by Muziko

You're dodging the question. Or perhaps you've missed the point of the post entirely.

Nah, I just didnt forget that defiance also comes with the HP boost for the 'always on' side.