WAR 2.1 Patch Notes

[Gamemako]

I don't think it's quite fair comparing Rampart to IB/Storm's Path mostly because you aren't going to use the ability guaranteed as soon as it comes off CD, while there is no reason not to use IB/Storm's Path whenever available. That and it's use will not differ from fight to fight, while things like Block/Parry will depending on what abilities the mob uses.

You aren't using Inner Beast to take on one autoattack before a Landslide swing, either. That would be a waste. You're using Inner Beast right before the Mountain Buster, so that you take out a significant amount of damage from the attack. Hell, you never used Inner Beast on cooldown -- you just used it after the attack instead of before.

As you can see, using numbers that, while rounded, are actually rather accurate to current raid conditions, defiance and shield oath are nearly equal. Shield oath has a very minor advantage (0.8%).

You could just as well say the damage is 7499, and that PLD is therefore 4.16% ahead. Neither are a meaningful result. A healing bonus will not allow your tank to survive a big hit, and neither bonus is relevant to that. The more accurate comparison is that Shield Oath reduces the amount of healing required by 20% while Defiance reduces it by 16.667%. Natively, a healer has to spend 4.16% more time and MP healing. You could then include other aspects, such as blocking, self-healing, and the net effect of mitigation abilities. Again, there's a lot to it.

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Does Holmgang (as of this moment) have any real use?

Right now, not much. You can lock down the second WP boss with it when it runs off. It's pretty blah right now.

[Garnatian]

You aren't using Inner Beast to take on one autoattack before a Landslide swing, either. That would be a waste. You're using Inner Beast right before the Mountain Buster, so that you take out a significant amount of damage from the attack. Hell, you never used Inner Beast on cooldown -- you just used it after the attack instead of before.



You could just as well say the damage is 7499, and that PLD is therefore 4.16% ahead. Neither are a meaningful result. A healing bonus will not allow your tank to survive a big hit, and neither bonus is relevant to that. The more accurate comparison is that Shield Oath reduces the amount of healing required by 20% while Defiance reduces it by 16.667%. Natively, a healer has to spend 4.16% more time and MP healing. You could then include other aspects, such as blocking, self-healing, and the net effect of mitigation abilities. Again, there's a lot to it.

You'd be correct about the old IB, you'd rarely ever use it outside infuriate. However, now you use IB as often as possible now as saving Wrath stacks no longer serves any purpose, meaning you're simply wasting stacks when you're using abilities that generate them since each Wrath stack equates to some percentage of mitigation.

Now, you'd rotate between abilities like Vengeance and Infuriate for you damage mitigation.

[Gamemako]

Up no, you use IB as often as possible now as saving Wrath stacks no longer serves any purpose, meaning you're simply wasting stacks when you're using abilities that generate them.

Now, you'd rotate between abilities like Vengeance and Infuriate for you damage mitigation.

I have no idea what you think you're getting out of bashing a 20% damage reduction ability against nothing. You're not even gaining damage because the marginal returns are cut from your crit bonus. Quite frankly, you'd be an absolutely terrible player if you did that.

[Garnatian]

I have no idea what you think you're getting out of bashing a 20% damage reduction ability against nothing. You're not even gaining damage because the marginal returns are cut from your crit bonus. Quite frankly, you'd be an absolutely terrible player if you did that.

Because you're throwing away mitigation the longer you don't use it and the fact that you have Infuriate which has a 60s which you can use if you need 20% damage reduction.

You'd be correct if it took 60s to get 5 stacks, but it's a very short amount of time and saving it, especially when Infuriate exists, is simply a waste of mitigation.

[symba]

Because you're throwing away mitigation the longer you don't use it and the fact that you have Infuriate which has a 60s which you can use if you need 20% damage reduction.

It doesn't exactly work like that, you'd realistically want to have an IB up every 35~ seconds for death sentence in turn 5. It's 20-25 seconds for a full stack of wrath, you're most likely going to wait until she's about to cast death sentence unless you're wanting to use vengeance/infuriate.

[Garnatian]

It doesn't exactly work like that, you'd realistically want to have an IB up every 35~ seconds for death sentence in turn 5. It's 20-25 seconds for a full stack of wrath, you're most likely going to wait until she's about to cast death sentence unless you're wanting to use vengeance/infuriate.

Yeah, it depends on an encounter by encounter basis, however in an ideal situation, you want to use it as often as possible as not to waste the extra stacks of Wrath.

Though at every 35s you wouldn't waste too many as it takes 20s to get 5 stacks and if you make use of Infuriate every other DS then you'll only miss on out a few extra stacks.

[Coramac]

I have no idea what you think you're getting out of bashing a 20% damage reduction ability against nothing. You're not even gaining damage because the marginal returns are cut from your crit bonus. Quite frankly, you'd be an absolutely terrible player if you did that.

Step 1: Stack Skill Speed
Step 2: Tell WHM to get lost because Selene is better than they are
Step 3: Win

[Giantbane]

Step 1: Stack Skill Speed
Step 2: Tell WHM to get lost because Selene is better than they are
Step 3: Win

Doesn't skill speed have little to no effect currently?

Selene's a good option tho.

[Coramac]

Doesn't skill speed have little to no effect currently?

Selene's a good option tho.

Everything I've seen is 10 skill speed to .01 reduction. I can't say definitively, but based on HiirNoivr's earlier posts and how it looks like the mechanics work, the 30% will apply to the base value (2.5). This will put you at 1.75 GCD. Start stacking skill speed and you're going to likely end up with permanent (or close enough) damage reduction with Storm's Path and IB. You need two scholars I believe.

It's why this change is so huge. If you are going to max min, this change to Warriors has a significant impact to class composition of a raid.

[Vmage]

Everything I've seen is 10 skill speed to .01 reduction. I can't say definitively, but based on HiirNoivr's earlier posts and how it looks like the mechanics work, the 30% will apply to the base value (2.5). This will put you at 1.75 GCD.

you.... should go find a scholar, and tell him to pop fey light while you're in the party...

suffice to say, the post you're referencing got the numbers a tad wrong.