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    Gaust Euler
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamemako View Post
    That would be incorrect. You are comparing tools with different uses. Defiance directly compares to Shield Oath as follows:

    Shield Oath
    +25% effective HP
    +25% effective healing

    Defiance
    +25% effective HP
    +20% effective healing

    What you want to compare with Inner Beast is Rampart, which is more like 4.44% to 4.48% (neglecting Infuriate). That comparison is not really that valuable either, though. There's a lot that goes into it which I'm not going to discuss here -- need to run more math and all.
    I've always wondered why people say 25%, when the tooltip says 20%, is the tooltip incorrect? Though I have seen on some sites that it says 25%, but not entirely sure.

    I don't think it's quite fair comparing Rampart to IB/Storm's Path mostly because you aren't going to use the ability guaranteed as soon as it comes off CD, while there is no reason not to use IB/Storm's Path whenever available. That and it's use will not differ from fight to fight, while things like Block/Parry will depending on what abilities the mob uses.
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    Last edited by Garnatian; 11-21-2013 at 04:32 AM.


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    Mrv Light
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnatian View Post
    I've always wondered why people say 25%, when the tooltip says 20%, is the tooltip incorrect? Though I have seen on some sites that it says 25%, but not entirely sure.
    taking 20% less damage is the same thing as having 25% more hp

    paladin has 100 HP with shield oath on, warrior has 125 HP with defiance on

    they both take a 100 damage hit

    paladin mitigates it to 80, survives with 20 HP, 20% of his total

    warrior takes the full 100, survives with 25 HP, 20% of his total

    the passive mitigation has always been balanced, it's the fact that 5x wrath only gave 15% that caused the gap, coupled with paladin cooldowns...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vmage View Post
    taking 20% less damage is the same thing as having 25% more hp

    paladin has 100 HP with shield oath on, warrior has 125 HP with defiance on

    they both take a 100 damage hit

    paladin mitigates it to 80, survives with 20 HP, 20% of his total

    warrior takes the full 100, survives with 25 HP, 20% of his total

    the passive mitigation has always been balanced, it's the fact that 5x wrath only gave 15% that caused the gap, coupled with paladin cooldowns...
    Yeah, I get it now.

    PLD has 100 HP, WAR has 125HP and the lowest hit that can kill a PLD is a 125 damage hit, same as a WAR.

    All right thanks.
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