Red Ring of Death!

[Dire]

What was your other game, Everquest 1? How can you prove that any game except the same game is even comparable?

Nice try, but 2 copies of the game, geographically close with vastly different experiences an SE issue is not.

I am not going to list every game I play, the list would be far too long. And for the record I don't actually have lag issues. But I have seen tons of videos of people who do. They are able to move and cast without any visible lag whatsoever and yet get tagged by AoE they have clearly moved out of. How do you explain that? Their PC/connection happens to throw them a lag spike every time they have just got clear of a red circle? You don't think that's a bit of a stretch?

Then again, they may just not be zooming out enough, amirite?

[AunaYuuki]

Is it bad that I thought the title was about the xbox 360 or a really bad hemorrhoid medication pitch?

I thought it was going to be a funny thread. :<

[RynaultB]

Once again, 1 game has ZERO relevance to another. And the delay you are describing there, is the .3 second INTENTIONAL delay, that this thread is not about.

Your OP brings in that "Intentional" delay, just by you stating its easy to avoid the red zones. Because of this "Intentional" delay some may or may not be able to get out of the red zones. If they got rid of that delay they "intentionally" put in I bet the majority of peoples problems would go away.

Also by making the checks happen client side than server side.

The seemingly randomness I have these delays makes me question this is. Something I don't have when I play other games, which makes it valid for someone like me to form a different opinion from yours and also compare one game to another of the same genre.

[Baneus]

This OP, I've played countless other games online, MMOs what have you. But this is the only game where not just latency but the communication between server and client are terrible. I can't tell you how many times I've been out or the "Red Ring of Death" and I still get hit some times LONG before the ability even went off.

Never had this kind of problem playing other MMOs, especially the F2P ones.

I play from China, lag is to be expected playing on NA servers. But when I play WoW the game runs smooth. And before anyone "White Knights" it up about "Connections" (they had these same problems back in 1.0, they should be fixed by now). "Its a new MMO, gotta give it time". Its 2013 not 2000. Technology is better, thus they should have better server hardware to be played on.

And their server coding is terrible with the built in server delay. I could care less if they put a Chocobo in the CSS on their lodestone website. I see they spent more time doing that then making the code with commuting between servers and client.

P.S. As well as the 1000 character max on a single post... terrible.

The major difference being that Blizzard actually (after quite a few years of ignoring the issue) altered the mechanics in WoW to cater to 200+ms latency. If SE keeps to the same timeframe expect the issue to be around for at least another 7 years.

[Sephirah]

There *IS* relevance, actually. Other game developers seem to make things work, either through client-side detection or whatever dark magics they use. Then all of a sudden, a game that has lazy written all over it comes out with these issues and people want to stand up to defend it. If what I am seeing on my screen doesn't accurately portray ground-truth, then something is wrong. When I lag in other games due to ISP, etc, the whole game lags, not just the freaking AE markers. No casting lag, no lag when attacking mobs, just a lag with the AE marker. This is something that can be fixed through SE, if they were competent.

Then why, pray tell, is this not happening to everyone?

[Duuude007]

I am not going to list every game I play, the list would be far too long. And for the record I don't actually have lag issues. But I have seen tons of videos of people who do. They are able to move and cast without any visible lag whatsoever and yet get tagged by AoE they have clearly moved out of. How do you explain that? Their PC/connection happens to throw them a lag spike every time they have just got clear of a red circle? You don't think that's a bit of a stretch?

Then again, they may just not be zooming out enough, amirite?

Snarky comment about the live letter aside, people need to check their house before blaming SE.

How can I explain that? The same way I explained my own past issues.

I had serious issues with the red rings not properly representing my escape from danger.

2 weeks ago.

Then I removed my router from the equation, connected my modem straight to my PC.

A world of difference. Ease of dodging is significantly, even comically easier now.

TLDR: My router was on the verge of 'dying', and causing added latency. I removed it, latency disappeared.

Check your PC.
Check your Home Network.
Check your ISP.
Check with SE.

In that order. If you choose to skip a step, nobody will take you seriously.

Visible lag is a misnomer. If your lag is SO bad that you can only sprint a foot per second in the game, like I did in game day 1 early access, the game is smart enough to tell your card to hide the lag in other ways. In the end people would just seem to be running faster than you, on screen.

[SchalaZeal]

An issue affecting 1 player in the whole party? psh, give me a break.

It affects people who started to cast when aoe appeared. People with instant abilities have enough time to go out and use another. People with casts generally don't. Healers even less so because they don't always target boss (and most instants are dots, that don't work on the tank now).

It won't affect the Monk and the Warrior. Why? No cast time.

[Kaedan94]

OP is correct. When people don't understand something, they blame anything but themselves. And in this case, their decision of ISP is an extension of "themselves".

If you're being hit when you are clearly outside the AoE before the cast timer finishes, then that is most definitely your ISP. Unfortunately, many times you can't really do much to improve your ISP's connections because the routing is mostly on their end. For those with issues like this, I highly suggest getting a tunneling service to force a more direct route. They are fairly cheap at only a few dollars a month.

My Australian friend was having this issue, because as we know Australia is infamous for horridly bad ISPs and internet connections in general. He got the tunneling service and now avoids AoEs no problem. All he needed to do was improve his connection.

[Dire]

Snarky comment about the live letter aside, people need to check their house before blaming SE.

How can I explain that? The same way I explained my own past issues.

Oh right, we're back to 'if it's not an L2P issue it has to be the player's PC/connection issue because it can't possibly be an SE issue'. We're done here; you might find talking in circles entertaining but I'd rather go watch paint dry to be honest.

[RynaultB]

Then why, pray tell, is this not happening to everyone?

And here is why you continue to show your blatant and complete ignorance to the fact. "Just because I don't have it or my friends or everyone in my circle doesn't have it, it doesn't exist."

We're not debating the nature of god or if he exists.

We're talking about the way the game runs. Yes not everyone is going to have problems. If only a few people have a problem i just look at it as bad ISP or whatnot. But when everyday people are coming to the forums to complain about this very issue, then more people than you think, are having this problem and *IT IS AN ISSUE* and should be addressed and fixed.

There are tons of variables as to why some have and some don't, but to just turn blindly away is not a good response.