Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Anisto]

I just started coil this week so maybe I'm still oblivious to somethings but, in turn 2 at least, aren't 2 BRDs pretty much required already. Unless you want a PLD tank to handle silence too? They already have the support roles. I'd suggest, instead of nerfing BRD, give melee dps a little support. I know MNKs do have a silence but it's not always up to be cast, so perhaps make that a single button skill and change DRGs slow to a silence, since almost all bosses are immune to slow and most strats want the tanks to keep the boss in place any ways.

[Marzapan]

Ok... here are some links that describe the Bard in FFXIV, all of which stress support as well as dps.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Bard
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Bard
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bard
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-bard/

[MargaretThatcher]

Ok... here are some links that describe the Bard in FFXIV, all of which stress support as well as dps.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Bard
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Bard
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bard

You're trying to get into semantics which really doesn't help your argument either way. Bottom line, if bard dps becomes comparatively worse than other classes then we're going to see many people and raids move away from the class. Regardless of what happens to bards this is a game with 4 dps spots that are filled by 3 distinct dps roles (bard,caster,melee). No matter what SE does raids are forced to bring two of one of the aforementioned roles. If/when bards get nerfed raids will suddenly switch to a 2x caster set up and this nonsense about a class being overpowered because "you have to bring at least one but preferably two" will start all over again.

[Marzapan]

All I'm saying is that before the game came out, it was a resonable assumption, from reading up on the class, that Bards were as much support as dps. I'm not saying anything about group/dungeon dynamics.
A previous poster said that I should have known that Bard was strictly dps, and that I was putting the support moniker on them due to other game's bards and my own preconceptions. Which is also true, I did. But there is reason to think they would be support based on the information available.

[KaosPrimeZero]

All I'm saying is that before the game came out, it was a resonable assumption, from reading up on the class, that Bards were as much support as dps. I'm not saying anything about group/dungeon dynamics.
A previous poster said that I should have known that Bard was strictly dps, and that I was putting the support moniker on them due to other game's bards and my own preconceptions. Which is also true, I did. But there is reason to think they would be support based on the information available.

Pointless arguing. Sadly i think your right, however people these days only play BRD not because they like it but because they want to be in the league of I AM HIGHEST DPS MWAHAHAHAHAHAH. Sad but true. of course this doesnt apply to everyone, but i would comfortabley say this applies to 70+%

[Woodberry]

Ok... here are some links that describe the Bard in FFXIV, all of which stress support as well as dps.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fantasy-xiv/Bard
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Bard
http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Bard
http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-bard/

What’s the Bard playstyle?
The main role of Bards still remain the same as Archers; Ranged DPS.

They are also potent damage dealers

Role: DPS

All of those were taken from the links you provided to unofficial sites. These were all opinions, but they tend to agree bard is a dps class. Their opinions aside, SE agrees with them and lists them as dps.

[Danko]

I think if BRD were changed to be "more support" oriented. IE more songs, more powerful buffs etc....it would be WORSE than it is now. Groups would always want to stack BRDS to stack/rotate songs. At least now it is perfectly viable to interchange a BRD with another DPS.

Nerfing damage and pushing BRD more towards the support role is just going to make them more unique and mandatory.

Simply nerfing our damage ceiling is just going to piss people off and see a decline in the use of BRDS. Songs are not OP by any stretch of the imagination and are also not up for a large percentage of the fight.

It's not as if BRDS are mandatory for silence either. There are a few jobs that can silence and still serve vital purpose (PLD best/easiest tank, MNK Single target LB and very high DPS). Groups will just sub out BRDS for optimal DPS jobs and alter silence rotations accordingly.

[Marzapan]

What’s the Bard playstyle?
The main role of Bards still remain the same as Archers; Ranged DPS.

They are also potent damage dealers

Role: DPS

All of those were taken from the links you provided to unofficial sites. These were all opinions, but they tend to agree bard is a dps class. Their opinions aside, SE agrees with them and lists them as dps.

Is this an excersize in sophistry? I said support as well as dps. Every link listed above illustrates that, however, you have only picked out the quotes regarding dps. End of line.

Here is a page from SE... looks like a support role to me.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs/content

[Anisto]

You're trying to get into semantics which really doesn't help your argument either way. Bottom line, if bard dps becomes comparatively worse than other classes then we're going to see many people and raids move away from the class. Regardless of what happens to bards this is a game with 4 dps spots that are filled by 3 distinct dps roles (bard,caster,melee). No matter what SE does raids are forced to bring two of one of the aforementioned roles. If/when bards get nerfed raids will suddenly switch to a 2x caster set up and this nonsense about a class being overpowered because "you have to bring at least one but preferably two" will start all over again.

You wanna experience being past over for raids, role a dragoon...
There is a reason bards gets selected for raids and it's not even because of thier dps.

[Lecreuset]

I just started coil this week so maybe I'm still oblivious to somethings but, in turn 2 at least, aren't 2 BRDs pretty much required already. Unless you want a PLD tank to handle silence too? They already have the support roles. I'd suggest, instead of nerfing BRD, give melee dps a little support. I know MNKs do have a silence but it's not always up to be cast, so perhaps make that a single button skill and change DRGs slow to a silence, since almost all bosses are immune to slow and most strats want the tanks to keep the boss in place any ways.

My group and many others do coil 1-4 with only 1 bard. It's also alot harder to do coil with 1 Paladin than 2. ZOMG NERF PALLIES!