Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Danko]

I just started coil this week so maybe I'm still oblivious to somethings but, in turn 2 at least, aren't 2 BRDs pretty much required already.

Zero Bards are required to do coil.

All of the moves that need silenced are done in specific sequence and can be planned for well in advance by other jobs with Silence.

People are getting a little off the rails with this "BRD support Argument" That was not what Yoshi P was talking about with consideration to areas where BRD is "just a LITTLE too strong." He specifically referenced Titan and fights like it where BRD can have (close to) 100% DPS up time while dodging mechanics, whereas other DPS have to stop DPSing to deal with them.

That is really the only area where BRD needs a look. Our actual damage ceiling is relatively low. Our support options are not something that would ever be mistaken for OP. They certainly do not warrant a DPS ceiling nerf from where it sits currently.

The ONLY balance issue with BRD that needs addressing is DPS mobility.

Not its support options relative to other DPS.

Not its DPS ceiling.

Not BRD's ability to Silence relative to other DPS.

DPS MOBILITY. End. Done.

[Rochetm]

People are getting a little off the rails with this "BRD support Argument" That was not what Yoshi P was talking about with consideration to areas where BRD is "just a LITTLE too strong." He specifically referenced Titan and fights like it where BRD can have (close to) 100% DPS up time while dodging mechanics, whereas other DPS have to stop DPSing to deal with them.

I don't understand how people missed this. He didn't say bards are the most unbalanced class every and they need to be nerfed. I thought it was obvious where the issue was... fights like titan where they can nearly ignore fight mechanics and stay full dps while doing it. And even then I don't see them doing much. Maybe force them to be still for a couple abilities or something like that.

[Anisto]

Zero Bards are required to do coil.

Honestly stopped reading here. I know other classes have silence but try convincing a grp to do coil with zero bards once.

[Danko]

Honestly stopped reading here. I know other. Lasses have silence but try convincing a grp to do coil with zero bards once.

You should read more . You'll learn more.

The argument has nothing to do with whether or not you can convince anyone to do it. The argument is that BRDs are not REQUIRED to complete the content.

Which happens to be true. BC is perfectly doable without BRDs at all.

Case in point, a group that I run with uses the PLD and MNK to silence, simply because the BRDs are better geared and the fights go more smoothly when we focus on DPSing. You could replace me with any other well geared DPS and run coil perfectly.

[Anisto]

I am honestly curious to hear the strat a monk uses to silence. I don't play MNK so not sure how thier silence works with stances and so on but t would actually be helpful to our grp.

[Danko]

I think if BRD were changed to be "more support" oriented. IE more songs, more powerful buffs etc....it would be WORSE than it is now. Groups would always want to stack BRDS to stack/rotate songs. At least now it is perfectly viable to interchange a BRD with another DPS.

Nerfing damage and pushing BRD more towards the support role is just going to make them more unique and mandatory.

Simply nerfing our damage ceiling is just going to piss people off and see a decline in the use of BRDS. Songs are not OP by any stretch of the imagination and are also not up for a large percentage of the fight.

It's not as if BRDS are mandatory for silence either. There are a few jobs that can silence and still serve vital purpose (PLD best/easiest tank, MNK Single target LB and very high DPS). Groups will just sub out BRDS for optimal DPS jobs and alter silence rotations accordingly.

[Lecreuset]

you still need atleast 1 bard man lol.. required to get in? No.. needed to finish the instance? yeah

You just sound biased about the class since you are one

[Danko]

you still need atleast 1 bard man lol.. required to get in? No.. needed to finish the instance? yeah

Explain which instance that BRD is NEEDED or you will lose?

[Lecreuset]

Explain which instance that BRD is NEEDED or you will lose?

you just said 0 bards required to do coil lol you forgot your own post? Mage's ballad is too good and Even Army's Paeon is good to have in turn 4.

[Danko]

you just said 0 bards required to do coil lol you forgot your own post?

What?

I asked you to explain in which instance BRD is NEEDED in to finish the instance. IE: I'm asking you to defend your argument that you NEED at least one BRD to finish the instance. Which was in response to mine. That ZERO BRDs are NEEDED to finish the instance.

Now you go.