Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Pellegri]

I for one welcome Bards being brought inline with everyone else, and breaking the 4 bard coil blocs. With the Warrior change, we might see something other than 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch Coil Groups. Maybe this will also encourage bards to use their ballads. SERIOUSLY did you know until I read this thread I did not know bards had a song that restored TP, and I've been in coil to Turn 4 with a group that ran with 3 bards? And that group later replaced me with a 4th bard when I couldn't make their raid times due to work.

Encouraging bards to use their ballads would require content that actually requires ballads to be used. Turns 1-4 in coil if the group is geared enough and knows the fight does not require a single use of ballad, turn 5 is the only one that does. Without ballad use we are the worst dps at endgame when it comes to burst or even sustained until it comes to having to move. The majority of turn 5 doesn't even require all that much movement and when it does melee(the class you think is gimped beyond belief) is actually able to continue dpsing because they are in range of the boss or mob the majority of the time.

No the one that should stop sucking so much is you if you believe that bards need to be "brought down with everything else" when it's already as low as it goes. Literally the only thing we have going for us is the fact that all except one of our skills is instant and even the one that isn't we can cast while moving. What are they going to do completely change how the class is played by making it so we can't move and cast? Ya really good idea in a patch after the game came out to tell people that the class they have been playing now requires them to relearn it. Oh but they could always nerf our dmg....you know to "bring us inline" with other classes. So they going to then bring other classes inline with us as we will do far below what everything else does?

The class is built around being able to dps and move at range at the same time, it's also built around potentially making use of ballads to offer atleast mediocre support for our party. All of this is the way it is because we also have attacks that do less dmg than everyone else to try and bring home the fact that we are not 100% meant for a pure dmg role. If they make it so we can't move and attack at the same time then they need to make our attacks do more dmg so it puts us inline with everything else, oh but wait then you'll come here and complain that we are doing too much compared to people that suck and we then need to be nerfed again.

It's bad when I constantly hear from every other class "oh I just crit for 800+ without a cd"......and then I see our pidly little execute hit for 310 non crit and barely over 450-500 crit, our hardest hitting attack doesn't even come close to what other classes are capable of in the same amount of time with their rotation. Ya sounds really awesome hearing people like you cry for nerfs because a halfway decent bard is better than a terrible melee or caster that doesn't know wtf to do.

[NeonC]

Agreed with above, even more disturbing is the recent 8 bard groups ramming through end game content. Someone has to stop the madness!

[RyuDragnier]

I find it funny that everybody thinks that the nerf to Bard will be based in the power of any of our skills. If anything, the only thing that makes us OP in certain instances is the ability to attack while moving. All that takes is some moves having charge-ups or being unable to move during others. There, mobility problems fixed...because most of the time, a Bard isn't moving at all while attacking, just because there's nothing for us to dodge or avoid. As for the song stacking...they'll probably just make it so you can't double up on certain songs like Mage's Ballad. Only one of that song will be allowed to be up at any given time. For example, only 1 Army's Paeon, only 1 Mage's Ballad, and only 1 Foe's Requiem allowed on a group at the same time. Trying to throw on another of the same type will give an error sound with "Only one person can sing this song at a time."

[Volker_Mateus]

Personally I feel that to make bard more of a support class they should allow the songs to last 2 minutes like in XI and in 1.x that way songs would be used more often

[warren-ragnarok]

honestly, they dont need to nerf overall brd dps, they just need to make it so it does lower damage while its moving, that alone would be the best nerf for brd.......brd is the only job that can keep long range, and do good dps and completely avoid being in close contact with mobs, but i do agree, their dps overall is a tad low

they also might be nerfing it for possible dual job setup like acn. archer can go brd or whatever its alt will be, rng or possible musketeer like people are sharing rumors of......it might be numerous reasons they are nerfing brd dps, if they dont touch archer, then that is probably the case

[Mihael_Longclaw]

Bard nerf is the best thing since sliced bread, not Bards will learn how to play their class for its support and debuffs

[Pellegri]

Bard nerf is the best thing since sliced bread, not Bards will learn how to play their class for its support and debuffs

Sure lets use our single debuff to buff the single highest dps in the game(black mage) because foes requiem only affects blm spells and 2(?) summoner spells, it affects nothing more not even our own elemental damage. Oh lets use our mana and tp songs when they don't need to be used on the vast majority of bosses, and the rest of the bosses(barring Twintania) it's not on us to constantly make sure everyone else knows wtf to do.

Can't keep your tp up as a warrior? Stop blaming the bard for not helping you and learn how to play your damn class so you don't need to keep blasting away your tp. Run oom halfway through a fight other than Twintania? Stop spamming your high cost spells so much and learn when spikes in dmg are coming. It's not the bards fault that other people fail to understand basic elements of their class and expect the bard to always gimp themselves to make up for their failure. Yes there are times bards should use their songs and they need to learn when to do so, but when you're running ak or wp and constantly use all your tp on each and every trash pull as a warrior do not expect the bard to make up for your terrible play because you can't understand that there's other moves you can use to keep threat other than your aoe.

The way they designed the game prevents any kind of full on support class in this game, stop believing that bard is magically something that it is not capable of being. We have support spells that need to be used at times and those times are not to help terrible players feel like they're better than they are because we have to gimp ourselves to make up for their failures. We are the lowest dps in the game even without using songs, being able to attack while we're moving only lowers the skillcap required to play one. There is nothing preventing a melee or caster from getting some gear and actually learning their class and then showing up a bard in equal gear because they are capable of doing more than a bard if they know wtf to do.

[saber_alter]

oh, bards are being nerfed? meh, whatever. *goes back to being bard*

never considered damage one of bard's key points in the first place.

[Mcclebby]

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a)Most melee DPS need to worry about boss centric AoE so by simply saying that other melee DPS dont need to worry about stuff simply show how ignorant you are.

b)Even if they nerf BRD still wont change the fact that BRD is still desirable to endgame due to the fact of how BCoB is being design(silence, song) and other class interrupt being too unreliable.

c)It is still unknown what are the nerfs to BRD so saying it is a DPS nerf is simply jumping to conclusion with much envidence.

I hate the 1k word limit >.>

[RunsWscissors]

a)Most melee DPS need to worry about boss centric AoE so by simply saying that other melee DPS dont need to worry about stuff simply show how ignorant you are.

b)Even if they nerf BRD still wont change the fact that BRD is still desirable to endgame due to the fact of how BCoB is being design(silence, song) and other class interrupt being too unreliable.

c)It is still unknown what are the nerfs to BRD so saying it is a DPS nerf is simply jumping to conclusion with much envidence.

I hate the 1k word limit >.>

ok im ignorant but funny how not 1 of your little abc's was actually in my post.. guess that's why u put snippet instead so u could say w/e u want and not look like a retard. oops it happened anyway.