oh plz enough already

[Rivienne]

Forget it, the moment you question SE. We're all off to the stake.
-Shrugs; Oh well, let's keep on having this "broken game"
Which RMT's and Bots and shit lag rule the world and never to be fixed.
Nothing wrong with giving us a lil' info. Nothing at all, but shh, don't say nothing.
Defenders on a grand hunt for all who oppose and question SE.

While I do think they could potentially handle some of this better, I don't honestly think people are defending SE blindly. Had this thread been "could we get some information about why there are so many maintenances?" rather than "just stop already", the reactions would be fairly different. You would still get some, but it would be a lot more positive and get more support.

Most people would happily support more information. SE doesn't have to give it, but it doesn't hurt to ask. But the pure vent threads are always going to draw reactionary "get over it" type responses.

There are many valid reasons for needing to do this much maintenance, some of them require silence ahead of time. (Exploit related, economy breaking, etc). That said SE has been fairly quiet across the board even after the fact, so I don't think it would hurt to ask so long as it is politely. Pure complaints about it however, or attempts to tell SE all the many ways they are doing it wrong (without the information needed to know if they are doing it wrong), are definitely going to just become a series of sarcastic replies and meaningless back and forth.

There are many things SE could do better, I don't think many will argue with that. But presentation and wording matter greatly to how well any complaint, issue, or general request for information will be received both by SE, and by other posters.

[Nica]

I guess your reading comprehension is off.
Stop trying to make witty comebacks to get likes, really tired of that on these forums, how about this, If you all are so sick of the whiner threads DONT COMIN THEM, since you already know what they are going to be, that's what I REALLY don't get about these threads.
WHiners will always exist get over it, but the ones who have a problem with whiners complaining, yet go out of their way to complain to the complains, really just are laughable.
I sleep just fine by the way thanks.

So basically, whining about whiners is terrible, so you're here to whine about those who whine about the whiners?


It's like a neverending cycle of whine! (which i believe is also one of the definition of internet forums).

[Reiterpallasch]

Want to know what's more annoying than maintenance every 2-3 days? 20 threads about maintenance every day.

[Slate]

I guess your reading comprehension is off.
Stop trying to make witty comebacks to get likes, really tired of that on these forums, how about this, If you all are so sick of the whiner threads DONT COMIN THEM, since you already know what they are going to be, that's what I REALLY don't get about these threads.
WHiners will always exist get over it, but the ones who have a problem with whiners complaining, yet go out of their way to complain to the complains, really just are laughable.
I sleep just fine by the way thanks.

Mainly because I like to have both sides of the argument given so that the mob isnt at the gate with pitchforks and torches. The people unaware of issues may jump to conclusions if they only see the whiner posts.

And I'm glad you are sleeping fine.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

The battle cry of the elitist. Ans snip.

I don't usually support the "then don't play" answer, but in this case he's quoting a fragment of the ToS. If you don't accept the ToS, you can't play because the registration process is cancelled. If you accept them and you complain about them... your fault.

In any case, why an explanation is needed? Yeah, they could tell you, but why? There's going to be maintenance anyway. And what if there's something being adressed and it's confidencial? You don't really need to know what they're fixing. Also, they usually do post a brief about what they fixed on the previous maintenance in case there's something that the players should know. They let you know when you have to know.

[TeganLaron]

Would you feel better if SE tells you that the emergency maint. was to replace hamsters that was powering the server?

My guess is no, as the mere presence of the maint. is what people are ultimately whining about, no matter what reason is given, people would just find other excuse to whine about it some more.

I see that in eve all the time, no matter what the reason is and explanation given by devs for downtimes, people find a reason to whine.

Wrong. If you had bothered to actually read every post of mine rather than just jumping to conclusions from one, you would know a reason or an explanation is all I want. Make your wisecracks about hamsters and stuff, but if they just gave some sort of explanation, even if a vague one, it would be better than nothing.

Everyone can cry and white knight SE all they want. If you never question anything that happens in life, good for you, must be a nice simple existence. If I want to know something, I'll ask.

EDIT:

snip.

Reached my daily limit, so will just reply here before heading off.

I question them because I want to. You're absolutely right, I don't need to question them. The exact same way you didn't need to question me. I'm not sure if you meant the intelligence and curiosity part, or were being sarcastic. However if you meant it, you seem bright enough that I could say the same about you intelligence wise. So has your experience speaking to me given you anything useful? I highly doubt it. Has my replying to you enriched my own life? No, not really. Being inquisitive and curious is just human nature.

[whilke]

While I do think they could potentially handle some of this better, I don't honestly think people are defending SE blindly. Had this thread been "could we get some information about why there are so many maintenances?" rather than "just stop already", the reactions would be fairly different. You would still get some, but it would be a lot more positive and get more support.

Most people would happily support more information. SE doesn't have to give it, but it doesn't hurt to ask. But the pure vent threads are always going to draw reactionary "get over it" type responses.

There are many valid reasons for needing to do this much maintenance, some of them require silence ahead of time. (Exploit related, economy breaking, etc). That said SE has been fairly quiet across the board even after the fact, so I don't think it would hurt to ask so long as it is politely. Pure complaints about it however, or attempts to tell SE all the many ways they are doing it wrong (without the information needed to know if they are doing it wrong), are definitely going to just become a series of sarcastic replies and meaningless back and forth.

There are many things SE could do better, I don't think many will argue with that. But presentation and wording matter greatly to how well any complaint, issue, or general request for information will be received both by SE, and by other posters.

None of these numerous bi-daily maintenance's are fixing exploiting, or game and economy breaking issues.. If they were, they would bring the servers down after a 10 minute notice and resolve any major issues of that nature. However, they are scheduling these for 24-48 hours in advance., so it's nothing that severe.

Yes, we all want bugs fixed, yes they have to do maintenance for that to happen. No on is arguing against that.

The issue is why do they need to do that four times a week, instead of one scheduled time slot (like nearly every other MMO on the market)? The same amount of fixes are going to happen when they do one maintenance a week, or seven. In the former case they are just bundling more per maintenance.

If your playtime or timezone puts you far out of these maintenance windows then you really have no weight in the argument. Most of the recent downtown has started between 9-11pm PST, far from a time period where everyone should be sleeping, no?

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Everyone can cry and white knight SE all they want. If you never question anything that happens in life, good for you, must be a nice simple existence. If I want to know something, I'll ask.

IMHO, you should be wise and learn what you should question in life. If a game's maintenance is something worth of interest for you, good for you. But if you think about it, ask yourself, why do you NEED to know THAT? Don't waste your intelligence and curiosity on something that won't give you anything useful.

[Ralemont]

Don't worry wont be long before nobody is playing
like you said they don't HVAE to so they don't.
aka good customer service

SE's customer service was notably worse during the FFXI years and that game still did pretty well. Bad customer service is a given with SE, not that bad customer service has anything to do with scheduling emergency maintenances without providing explicit details. What exactly are you going to do with such information?

[Knosis]

Mature rating mmorpg, <Can I have it?>. I want to quit playing more and more reading these spoiled brat kiddy threads. It's maintenance, the reason why we pay monthly you idiot. Try doing something else while they are performing fixes.



EDIT:

Calls people "kiddy" with an instant insult of "you're an idiot" and a stupid cat gif.
Totally legit poster.

You're right, the OP isn't an idiot. I agree, all this fixing of the game needs to stop.
Like... WTF YOLO ROFL