Titan is hard because your camera isn't zoomed out, not because of server-side delays

[Allyra]

Unless you mean to say your connection has been running fine up until the moment Titan uses Landslide, Ifrit uses a Plume, Garuda uses Mistral Shriek, etc. etc. and that the game decided to suddenly screw you at the moment of that attack...multiple times in a fight...across many runs...

No, but those are the ones other players are going to notice it. My lag happens during stomps, but who is going to notice it besides me, when I wouldn't be moving out of it anyway? There are several times where everyone (mob/pcs) stops moving with landslide up, and I will run to completely the other side and still get hit. Equally, sometimes the lag happens JUST BEFORE titan turns around for landslide. I could recite the rotation in my sleep, but it's a gamble to run because I know once things catch up I either ran out of LS, or ran into an LS. I have counted titan runs where I got the rubberband effect 10 times.

[Allyra]

A good example of this is demon wall. I had once where I moved to the center for the push, didn't get pushed back. After everyone ran back, I stayed in the center and only went to the outside when purple spawned, and THEN got pushed off the ledge.

(sorry for all the multiple posting, stupid character limit is stupid.)

[Bizniztyme]

You do realize that maybe on their screen they moved and then the server has to update and it shows them still in and running at the wrong moment? It still lends evidence of server lag. Ive seen cases in AK where someone was purely running all the time and still got hit, thier char was rubberbanding before our eyes.

So yes, there is an issue. Im sorry, its just an elephant in the room. But im glad you can get through it all with no issues. I however KNOW that people are having legit probs.

Look, I didnt say it's not an issue, all I'm saying is that alot of people are using it as a crutch. You going to tell me that simply isnt true?

[Allyra]

Of course you wont, beside Tera, there is no MMO that demanding character positioning and much less room for error as this one.

Anything with PVP does. And that's usually my number 1 priority in MMOs.

[Allyra]

But i'm not getting any lag spikes

This is irrelevant. You see what the game sees, the game isn't seeing these people moving because of the spike, so you won't see it either.

[ArcheustheWise]

Look, I didnt say it's not an issue, all I'm saying is that alot of people are using it as a crutch. You going to tell me that simply isnt true?

I can tell when someone is lagging, and when they're just not moving their asses. It's especially obvious when it comes to Landslide and what direction they fly in when they're hit. In my experience, better than half the time a person blames "lag" for being hit, they're just using that as an excuse and hoping no one questions them.

That's not to say people don't lag. Like I said, I've seen it. But it isn't as common as some would like to have us believe.

And yet... we still have alot of people coming onto the forums and complaining about it. Why come on the forums to complain about it if they are just using it as an excuse for their incompetence? Seems like and awful waste of time to me.... *eyerolls*

I have no doubt that thers a "Few" that use it for just not reacting fast... but im willing to bet, judging on the number of complaints about this... and the 1000+ post about it floating around here somewhere.. that its kinda an se issue.

Edit: Wait! found the post: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-fix-something. Enjoy.

[Allyra]

I can't say it's 100% one way or the other, nor can any of you. We know it's an issue, and I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt until the issue is resolved rather than trying to guess at the statistics.

fwiw, it seems like EVERYONE in Southern California are getting routed to that Tata Communications. That is shown by people posting their tracert in the like ten million threads on the issue.

So I think that it's happen to a lot more people than some want to admit.

[Tupsi]

I have two relics too, that is completely irrelevant. The point is because it doesn't happen to YOU, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. .

Yes, it may exist but the thing is people are blaming SE - If it was on SE's side everyone would have the problem, everyone. You wouldn't have 2 relics, I wouldn't be working on another and I sure as heck wouldn't be able to dodge even a coblyn's shatter attack, let alone Titan if SE's servers were truly at fault.

The one thing, as I said earlier, many people still refuse to do is check with their ISP to see if they throttle P2P type traffic - A lot of people in Europe has this problem because a lot of European ISPs for sure throttles P2P - Yes, your internet is flawless, but you're not P2P constantly using the internet unless you're torrenting (generally), so people who say "everything is fine on my end and i still get hit" did they really check if everything is fine? Lag happens, it's part of online gaming but the fact as someone said you can see which way they get hit if they truly did move..is the biggest indicator.

If I see you get hit backwards and you say "i moved"...you lied.

[Alerith]

No, but those are the ones other players are going to notice it. My lag happens during stomps, but who is going to notice it besides me, when I wouldn't be moving out of it anyway? There are several times where everyone (mob/pcs) stops moving with landslide up, and I will run to completely the other side and still get hit. Equally, sometimes the lag happens JUST BEFORE titan turns around for landslide. I could recite the rotation in my sleep, but it's a gamble to run because I know once things catch up I either ran out of LS, or ran into an LS. I have counted titan runs where I got the rubberband effect 10 times.

This example is unlikely to be a server issue and more likely to be an issue with your own hardware. Keep in mind that everyone uses the same server hardware on SE's end, so if it's a server issue, it should affect your entire party in one way or another at the same time.

For example: If seven of you are in the danger zone for Landslide and everyone makes it out but one guy, and that guy calls lag, would that not indicate that he either failed to move in time or that the lag issue was on his end? The other six of you made it out of the way of Landslide just fine, but little Jimmy Dragoon gets sent flying like the bra of an Ul'dah hooker on a Saturday night? Doesn't sound like the server is to blame for this, and this is the majority of scenarios you will encounter with other people getting hit by these things.

Again, not saying the issues don't exist from time to time, but if the common denominator between all players is the server, and some players rarely have issues while others are constantly getting hit, I think it's time to examine the hardware/ISP/Skill of the player rather than constantly blame the servers.

[Allyra]

Yes, it may exist but the thing is people are blaming SE - If it was on SE's side everyone would have the problem, everyone. You wouldn't have 2 relics, I wouldn't be working on another and I sure as heck wouldn't be able to dodge even a coblyn's shatter attack, let alone Titan if SE's servers were truly at fault.

No where did I put the blame on anyone, all I said was it exists. There are people in the thread claiming it doesn't exist. Not that it's not SE's fault or an ISP issue or w/e. They are saying it's all a lie and an excuse. And I take huge beef with that because I see it with my own eyes.

With that said this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ta#post1504742

Gives a good reason as to why we need to put pressure on SE whether they are to blame or not. Because they are more likely to get tata to fix their issue than we are.