(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[pandabearcat]

What do I want? Hmm maybe a final fantasy Summoner. I didn't think I was playing the wrong game since I'm playing Final Fantasy.

Please read the other 27 pages of this thread, and the other 50 pages or whatever of the other thread, and the other maybe 10s of other threads with this same idea that this isn't the "Final Fantasy" summoner.

Bottom line is, hey look, Square made this game. They decide what a summoner is.

And furthermore, you'll find the player base is pretty split on whether they like summoner or not.

You aren't going to be able to push your complete revamp of this class, because its not going to happen. Period.

Fwiw I sort of agree with you that summoner isn't what I expected. Am I going to rage about it? Nope. Just either play the class or move on.

[T0rin]

Then why did you roll a summoner, want everything handed to you on a silver plate?

Summoner burst is crazy when you pop all CDs. DoT classes have ramp up times, that's just how it is. If you don't like it, go roll a BLM. DIfferent classes have different designs. You can't have everything in one class, then there wouldn't be any need for other alternatives, except from that 1 class.

Who said I wanted everything handed to me on a silver plate? I was making a constructive analysis of the pros and cons of SMN vs BLM. It is true that we do better ST damage, worse AoE damage on targets > 4, and better AoE damage on targets <= 4. It is true that we don't do good burst damage.

I for one think that is called 'balance'. I was never saying SMN is bad because we can't burst, I was simply stating the reality for someone who specifically asked how it compares to BLM.

Seriously, defensive much? It is like you didn't even read my post, and just picked a single sentence to disagree with. Oh wait, that is probably what you actually did.

[Griddamus]

This bitching is getting crazy. The class might be tweaked sure, but a complete reskill focusing on the pets? It isn't going to happen.

Please remember the appeal of ff games (at least or me). Each is set in its own world with its own set of rules and lore with the exceptin of a few consistencies. These summoner a dont have to be anything like Yuna or any other version of the summoner in previous games.

[Engineer]

Bottom line is, hey look, Square made this game. They decide what a summoner is.

And furthermore, you'll find the player base is pretty split on whether they like summoner or not.

You aren't going to be able to push your complete revamp of this class, because its not going to happen. Period.

Fwiw I sort of agree with you that summoner isn't what I expected. Am I going to rage about it? Nope. Just either play the class or move on.

Not raging lol. Simply giving feedback.

This is true, they decide what summoner is, even if it isn't summoner..... oh well, I guess I don't need to play the game.


Your the one that seems to be raging lol. But.... you could be defending a class you like, and i understand that, but you can't make people stop fighting for what they want.

The problem right now is some got to love this current class, and some missing the real summoner. SE could've made this class a necromancer while adding the true summoner way later. But oh well too little, too late.

Or maybe adding Evoker as a new class and High Summoner as the pet focused job later on. This will keep both parties happy. ..
But I'm not counting on this to happen.

[T0rin]

It is the least summony summoner to date, but I still enjoy it. Having to deal with some 20+ abilities almost constantly is fun and engaging. I don't think MMO and 'Summon HUGE Things' go hand in hand very well, but the FF:Tactics implementation of summons would be nice to have in FF:XIV. And it probably isn't too late!

[NeonC]

I think if you want the old school Summoner feel, maybe they could create a stance where your pet leaves and you have to cast a series of spells. For instance, Place a a pair of glyphs or summoning circles on the ground, summon egi then start the chant...boom huge game altering spell.

[Kevee]

even if it isn't summoner

You don't get to decide that. If it wasn't Summoner, they would not have named it as such. What even defines a summoner to you, anyways?

It is the least summony summoner to date

The summon is our strongest "attack." We even get to interact with it!

That's pretty summony summoner to me.

[T0rin]

The summon is our strongest "attack." We even get to interact with it!

That's pretty summony summoner to me.

Our strongest single attack to be sure, that adds some fairly minor amount of micro-management. I do enjoy that bit of it, for the same reason I enjoy all the other rotation related stuff. But, in terms of being a class that is strictly focused on summoning big monsters that fight for you, not so much.

Even when there was no dedicated summoner, the summons were still big and impressive, ala FF:VII.

Even if nothing changes, I won't stop playing the class anyways. It just seems that the summon aspect was kind of an afterthought, mainly due to the 'presence' the EGIs have, and the fairly small amount of stuff you can have them do. They are always a good chunk of my DPS though.

[Kevee]

Even when there was no dedicated summoner, the summons were still big and impressive, ala FF:VII.

Well, there are some counter-examples like ChocoMog from FF7. Unicorn summons, Carbuncle summons, etc. These are fewer, but "big and impressive" doesn't define Summoner.

Yeah, but at least the Egi's are useful unlike summons in other FFs. I mean, there's a niche use like Phoenix, but pretty much all the time it was better to not summon.

[pandabearcat]

Well, there are some counter-examples like ChocoMog from FF7. Unicorn summons, Carbuncle summons, etc. These are fewer, but "big and impressive" doesn't define Summoner.

Yeah, but at least the Egi's are useful unlike summons in other FFs. I mean, there's a niche use like Phoenix, but pretty much all the time it was better to not summon.

Yea but Kevee you aren't thinking outside the box.

What if you have a big brother that wanted to impress you with how pretty a game is? If it weren't for FF7's amazing summons I probably wouldn't have started gaming. And then where would your bestest pal be?

What if you really need to go to the restroom, and didn't want to press start? Summons are great for that.

Also say what you will about FF10's summons but I loved all of them (except ifrit, it even looked ugly and sucked in that game too >.>).