Is Rage of Halone Overpowered in GLA/PLD's Kit?

[OmegaSinX]

You do realize you are suggesting that a Warrior with a 25% damage debuff is outperforming a Paladin in sword oath yes?
Just...wow...
Seriously...just...wow.
You have to be doing something REALLY wrong, to be outperforming PLD in sword oath while you have defiance up.

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.
2. You do realize Maim+Storm Eye Negates The -25% Damage right ? Also These impact all attacks and not just auto-attack. Not to mention War's can use unchained pushing DPS even more.

3. You forget Defiance Boostes Crits. Now add Internal Release to that and you have +30% Crits while its up.

and Lastly to Respond to your quote

How hard is it to Mess up PLDs 123 Combo?....please. If you havent played WAR please dont speak on topics you know nothing about. I've hit over 700 crits with my war(WARs crit more often btw). I have yet to see a Crit that hits harder than 600 with my PLD. I hit 500+ crits in defiance on the regular with WAR, when I see those kind of numbers on my PLD its a surprise because Spirit Within is my best move and a good crit with that is severly impacted by timing and luck when tanking. Below is a video of WAR's DPS Potential


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxMxLb3qki0

[Viridiana]

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.

With what, the parser that doesn't register sword oath?

[SwordCoheir]

With what, the parser that doesn't register sword oath?

Parser prolly doesn't pick it up because it's treated as secondary damage like an En-spell (View your battle logs and it will show you). Either way PLD's lower delay is really what puts them on top than Sword Oaths extra AA damage, because in an equal sample size, gear, and parimiters WAR is still capable of more damage overall, but swords being roughly 33% faster than axes is going to bridge that gap pretty quickly. (Just to be clear before anyone tries to argue, this is entirely AA damage I'm talking about w/wo Sword Oath/Shield Oath/Defiance/etc.)

Anyways back to the topic on hand, I can see why people think of RoH as too powerful with all of it's goodies, but there is a bit of a tradeoff. PLD in all of it's tanky awesomeness is rather leniar and narrow, while it's capable of DPS it lacks alot of Rotation options, mainly you can do sub-par damage with Riot Blades 2 tier combo or you can risk overwhelming the MT and stealing hate with Rage of Halones 3 tier combo without having to wait for the MT to build up decent hate. Either scenario is going to hurt PLD's capabilities to DPS weather or not it's an intentional design or not is anyones guess, and this is where WAR typically is alot stronger in due to their rotation options.

Bluntly put it's powerful because it supports PLD's linear playstyle which is mainly tanking, but when PLD has to fall back to other roles (IE: DPSing when not off-tanking) it lacks many options to really support itself, whereas WAR does not have that issue.

[Leiron]

10 character

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.

I did, you're wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong.

2. You do realize Maim+Storm Eye Negates The -25% Damage right ? Also These impact all attacks and not just auto-attack. Not to mention War's can use unchained pushing DPS even more.

Not it doesn't.

100 damage reduced by 25%.
You deal 75.
Maim increases damage by 20%.
You now deal 89.
Factor in Storm's Eye which is 11% for Slashing damage, assuming that the resistance is a flat 11% and that it is multiplicative.
You're dealing 98, and in reality, the slash resistance accounts to more of a 5%, but we'll assume 11% damage increase (which it isn't)
It is not nullified.

3. You forget Defiance Boostes Crits. Now add Internal Release to that and you have +30% Crits while its up.

The 10% increase crit rate is what nullifies it, not Maim/Storm's eye.
Even then, you're talking 10% increase where as a Paladin crits 10% less.
All the while, they have sword oath/fracture/spirits within/Circle of Scorn.
Furthermore, they also have Flight or Flight which is a 30% damage increase which is better than Berserk as there is no down time or penalty.

How hard is it to Mess up PLDs 123 Combo?....please. If you havent played WAR please

My Warrior is currently in t4. No luck with drops.

dont speak on topics you know nothing about. I've hit over 700 crits with my war(WARs crit more often btw).

My most recent crit with Rage of Halone is around 658.
GG
Furthermore, I have math on my side.
You have anecdotal evidence.

Even without Sword Oath, a Paladin will out DPS a Warrior in Defiance, to even suggest otherwise is being horribly ignorant.