Is Rage of Halone Overpowered in GLA/PLD's Kit?

[Leiron]

Oh I'm sorry, did I misread the thread title? I thought we were talking about gld/pld kits.

The discussion at with Cromac was in regards to a different discussion which was about Warriors.
So you didn't misread the title, but you certainly will be sticking your foot in your mouth for making comments while ignorant.

[dark494]

The discussion at with Cromac was in regards to a different discussion which was about Warriors.

Again, sarcasm, learn to read it. Also, that's what we call derailing a thread off-topic, but thanks for demonstrating what sticking your foot in your mouth actually looks like.

[KittenJitsu]

The discussion at with Cromac was in regards to a different discussion which was about Warriors.
So you didn't misread the title, but you certainly will be sticking your foot in your mouth for making comments while ignorant.

Again, sarcasm, learn to read it. Also, that's what we call derailing a thread off-topic, but thanks for demonstrating what sticking your foot in your mouth actually looks like.

You both look like idiots.

[Leiron]

You both look like idiots.

There is irony.

Again, sarcasm, learn to read it.

Do you even know what sarcasm is?

Also, that's what we call derailing a thread off-topic, but thanks for demonstrating what sticking your foot in your mouth actually looks like.

That has to be the worst attempt at back pedaling I have read to date.
Thanks.

[OmegaSinX]

I do not believe you're considering how effective Sword Oath's effect is.

Sword Oath only effects PLD auto attack. If it boosted Abilities power too it would be overpowered. I have both WAR and PLD, and I've done some testing with PLD Sword Oath vs Shield. PLD in Sword Oath barely beats My WAR in Defiance. War still out DPS PLD Sword Oath due too the several mechanics stacked against PLD. 1. WAR has higher potency attacks. 2. Maim & Storm Eye which have no cool down. 3. Berserk 4. Internal Release 5. Vengeance. 6. Longer DoT. 7. Higher Weapon Auto Attack Damage ( WAR 51.52, PLD 35.57 with Relic)

[Viridiana]

Sword Oath only effects PLD auto attack. If it boosted Abilities power too it would be overpowered. I have both WAR and PLD, and I've done some testing with PLD Sword Oath vs Shield. PLD in Sword Oath barely beats My WAR in Defiance. War still out DPS PLD Sword Oath due too the several mechanics stacked against PLD. 1. WAR has higher potency attacks. 2. Maim & Storm Eye which have no cool down. 3. Berserk 4. Internal Release 5. Vengeance. 6. Longer DoT. 7. Higher Weapon Auto Attack Damage ( WAR 51.52, PLD 35.57 with Relic)

If you're running off a parser, you should note that xiv app doesn't pick up Sword Oath damage.

[Leiron]

You do realize you are suggesting that a Warrior with a 25% damage debuff is outperforming a Paladin in sword oath yes?
Just...wow...
Seriously...just...wow.
You have to be doing something REALLY wrong, to be outperforming PLD in sword oath while you have defiance up.

[OmegaSinX]

You do realize you are suggesting that a Warrior with a 25% damage debuff is outperforming a Paladin in sword oath yes?
Just...wow...
Seriously...just...wow.
You have to be doing something REALLY wrong, to be outperforming PLD in sword oath while you have defiance up.

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.
2. You do realize Maim+Storm Eye Negates The -25% Damage right ? Also These impact all attacks and not just auto-attack. Not to mention War's can use unchained pushing DPS even more.

3. You forget Defiance Boostes Crits. Now add Internal Release to that and you have +30% Crits while its up.

and Lastly to Respond to your quote

How hard is it to Mess up PLDs 123 Combo?....please. If you havent played WAR please dont speak on topics you know nothing about. I've hit over 700 crits with my war(WARs crit more often btw). I have yet to see a Crit that hits harder than 600 with my PLD. I hit 500+ crits in defiance on the regular with WAR, when I see those kind of numbers on my PLD its a surprise because Spirit Within is my best move and a good crit with that is severly impacted by timing and luck when tanking. Below is a video of WAR's DPS Potential


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxMxLb3qki0

[Viridiana]

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.

With what, the parser that doesn't register sword oath?

[Leiron]

10 character

1. Don't believe, go test it yourself.

I did, you're wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong.

2. You do realize Maim+Storm Eye Negates The -25% Damage right ? Also These impact all attacks and not just auto-attack. Not to mention War's can use unchained pushing DPS even more.

Not it doesn't.

100 damage reduced by 25%.
You deal 75.
Maim increases damage by 20%.
You now deal 89.
Factor in Storm's Eye which is 11% for Slashing damage, assuming that the resistance is a flat 11% and that it is multiplicative.
You're dealing 98, and in reality, the slash resistance accounts to more of a 5%, but we'll assume 11% damage increase (which it isn't)
It is not nullified.

3. You forget Defiance Boostes Crits. Now add Internal Release to that and you have +30% Crits while its up.

The 10% increase crit rate is what nullifies it, not Maim/Storm's eye.
Even then, you're talking 10% increase where as a Paladin crits 10% less.
All the while, they have sword oath/fracture/spirits within/Circle of Scorn.
Furthermore, they also have Flight or Flight which is a 30% damage increase which is better than Berserk as there is no down time or penalty.

How hard is it to Mess up PLDs 123 Combo?....please. If you havent played WAR please

My Warrior is currently in t4. No luck with drops.

dont speak on topics you know nothing about. I've hit over 700 crits with my war(WARs crit more often btw).

My most recent crit with Rage of Halone is around 658.
GG
Furthermore, I have math on my side.
You have anecdotal evidence.

Even without Sword Oath, a Paladin will out DPS a Warrior in Defiance, to even suggest otherwise is being horribly ignorant.