Is Rage of Halone Overpowered in GLA/PLD's Kit?

[SwordCoheir]

With what, the parser that doesn't register sword oath?

Parser prolly doesn't pick it up because it's treated as secondary damage like an En-spell (View your battle logs and it will show you). Either way PLD's lower delay is really what puts them on top than Sword Oaths extra AA damage, because in an equal sample size, gear, and parimiters WAR is still capable of more damage overall, but swords being roughly 33% faster than axes is going to bridge that gap pretty quickly. (Just to be clear before anyone tries to argue, this is entirely AA damage I'm talking about w/wo Sword Oath/Shield Oath/Defiance/etc.)

Anyways back to the topic on hand, I can see why people think of RoH as too powerful with all of it's goodies, but there is a bit of a tradeoff. PLD in all of it's tanky awesomeness is rather leniar and narrow, while it's capable of DPS it lacks alot of Rotation options, mainly you can do sub-par damage with Riot Blades 2 tier combo or you can risk overwhelming the MT and stealing hate with Rage of Halones 3 tier combo without having to wait for the MT to build up decent hate. Either scenario is going to hurt PLD's capabilities to DPS weather or not it's an intentional design or not is anyones guess, and this is where WAR typically is alot stronger in due to their rotation options.

Bluntly put it's powerful because it supports PLD's linear playstyle which is mainly tanking, but when PLD has to fall back to other roles (IE: DPSing when not off-tanking) it lacks many options to really support itself, whereas WAR does not have that issue.

[Kitru]

War still out DPS PLD Sword Oath due too the several mechanics stacked against PLD. 1. WAR has higher potency attacks. 2. Maim & Storm Eye which have no cool down. 3. Berserk 4. Internal Release 5. Vengeance. 6. Longer DoT. 7. Higher Weapon Auto Attack Damage ( WAR 51.52, PLD 35.57 with Relic)

1. The mean potency of the WAR rotation is 207.7. The mean potency of the PLD is 203.3. That's not really all that much, especially when you consider that PLD also has Spirits Within and Circle of Scorn for an extra 50 potency per GCD.

2. If you're doing the proper high damage rotation, Storm's Eye only has a 66% uptime. Maim is up all the time, but you're still forgetting that Defiance has a larger damage penalty.

3. Fight or Flight is *way* stronger than Berserk since it has a higher uptime, increases *damage* rather than attack power, and doesn't have the Pacification debuff.

4. Internal Release is a minute increase to total damage that isn't even large enough to close the gap between Berserk and FoF.

5. If you're talking OT, Vengeance contributes nothing because you have to actually be attacked for it to mean anything. Even as an MT, unless you're in an AoE situation, it still adds only a tiny amount (6 * 50 over 48 GCDs is a whopping 6.25 potency per GCD *assuming you use it on CD, don't dodge any attacks, and the boss doesn't use any magic attacks*).

6. The longer DoT still doesn't really mean much since the effects are diluted over a longer period of time. Fracture increases DPS by a whole 2.3%, so it's not really all that impressive.

7. That's not even remotely true. You're looking at damage per hit, not actual contributed damage over time. A WAR is going to hit harder with each auto-attack, but a PLD is going to attack *much more often*. Both PLD and WAR get 83.33 potency per GCD from their auto-attacks. The only difference is that PLD swings more for less damage, but it amounts to the exact same amount. Furthermore, Sword Oath *increases* this damage by more than just 50% because it adds a 50 potency attack with each autoattack. Using Curtana, a PLD gets an extra 53.88 potency per GCD, which is a ~65% increase to auto-attack damage.

If you're even *remotely* capable of math, you'll realize that a PLD in Sword Oath is going to completely and utterly *destroy* a WAR in Defiance for damage dealt. I've even got all of it spelled out in my signature: WAR does not have an appreciable DPS advantage over PLD (it's present but tiny). WAR has lower base potency per GCD but more multipliers; PLD has lower multipliers but *much* higher base potency per GCD. In the end, they amount to pretty much the same (PLD actually has a small advantage if it's a WAR and PLD running together).