Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Vactus]

It's the same in my experience.

Please explain this.

[HiirNoivl]

Please explain this.

Let's say I know a big hit is coming. I use Thrill of Battle. The hit comes, Thrill of Battle fades and it's like the hit never happened.

[Takiwaki]

Let's say I know a big hit is coming. I use Thrill of Battle. The hit comes, Thrill of Battle fades and it's like the hit never happened.

I can do the exact same thing with IB, but your explanation still does not explain how its the same as HG.

[Phreak]

I can do the exact same thing with IB, but your explanation still does not explain how its the same as HG.

Don't try to think about it too much, Hiir has been a plague on these tank threads since the beginning.

[HiirNoivl]

I can do the exact same thing with IB, but your explanation still does not explain how its the same as HG.

lol No you can't there are limits to IB. It's the stated goal of Yoshi P to make IB have less of a limit.

ToB is about 1500HP for me. 7600 to almost 9200. HG is immunity for 10sec. That's a LOT more than 1500ish HP. Mountain Buster alone (which can be HG'd) is avg 3-5k depending on gear and cooldowns.

I get about 10k with ToB a little less. Combined with Wrath V that's a lot more than 1500 And that's the thing about WAR. If you look at skills individually they don't seem like much. You have to use them in combos with each other.

[CurlyBruce]

In phase 5 of Turn 4, the PLD can't allow more than 1 stack on the Dreadnaughts.

Tanking through the buffed Rotoswipes as PLD is only possible because PLD is OP. But I could MT the Turn 4 with a different strategy. Because that's they way the fight was supposed to be played in the first place.

...What? When we do Turn 4 our PLD is tanking one 2 stack dread and one normal dread in Phase 5 just fine. What different strategy are you suggesting for the single dread + 4 spiders phase? Have the DPS burn down spiders then do the Dreadnought? You realize the 4 other spiders + 2 Rooks will spawn before you can down it right? Even if you somehow manage to hold all the other mobs while you finish off Dread so it doesn't nom on a spider then what? Keep holding all the stuff when the second dread plops down with 2 soldiers? Do you think you can just focus down the dreads while ignoring everything else?

I get about 10k with ToB a little less. Combined with Wrath V that's a lot more than 1500 And that's the thing about WAR. If you look at skills individually they don't seem like much. You have to use them in combos with each other.

Your HP is 6025 w/o Defiance. 7531 with Defiance. 9037 with Thrill of Battle. How is 9k anywhere near 10k? Even with party buff you're only sitting at 9342. Also how does Wrath V have anything to do with Thrill of Battle? All Thrill of Battle does it basically give you a free Stoneskin worth 20% of your HP. It's barely any better than WHM Stoneskin except that it's a separate buff so it can stack. Guess what happens if you have a PLD pop Hallowed Ground and a WAR pop Thrill of Battle? WAR gets hit once, Thrill of Battle is pointless now. PLD gets hit once....twice...three times...four times, etc.

[HiirNoivl]

...What? But there's only 1 strat for Turn 4!!!

No.. there's not. Your DPS just has to be high enough. You can definitely tank the dreadnaughts as WAR the same way you can MT Caduceus. People said that MTing Caduceus as WAR was impossible, but it is possible, and it's not difficult. Turn 4 is the same. The Dreadnaughts are spoken of like they're some sort of impossible God-Mob.

They're not.

[CurlyBruce]

4 Stack Dread is the same as phase 1 Caduceus

Notice how I gave other possible strategies. Funny how instead of actually saying or showing how you would overcome the situations you make some completely irrelevant statement about Caduceus. Pro-tip WAR can MT Caduceus because he only stays in his first form for maybe 2 minutes and during that time he will never go higher than 1 stack if your OT isn't retarded. After the split, the snake will be dead by the time it's up to 4 stacks where it becomes a threat again. 4 Stack Dread hits a shitload harder than Caduceus and he's at 4 stack for the entire time you are tanking him. There are times where PLDs can get insta-gibbed to 4 stack Dread or double Dreads if heals are even slightly off on timing. Considering you already think it's impossible for PLD to hold both dreads with 1 stack or more, I'm gonna go ahead and say you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Vactus]

That doesn't explain how ToB is like HG. No combination of current abilities is like 10sec immunity that HG provides. At best you get overhealed, which is fairly easy to outthreat, at worst you still die. I can ToB, take a hit, second wind followed by dmg buffed IB, infuriate, IB again. Because of delay in tagging non-GCD abilities, if you have to pop that many abilities then something very wrong has happened and you're most likely dead anyways.

I'm not saying WAR sucks, but to compare anything we have, even as a combo ability, to HG is ridiculous. HG is a single 10sec immunity ability. To meet something like that we have to pull off a lot of cooldowns to self-heal. Which still leaves us very lacking. ToB is not comparable at all to HG. I refuse to level PLD, and I don't have many problems tanking as a WAR, but you have to admit PLD have it so much easier in Coil. You have duo PLD in coil; you can't duo WAR in coil.