Monk- general discussion and feedback

[DerpyCubone]

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Since you don't get what I'm saying, I'll explain it more clearly

What if Blms couldn't use Umbra/Astral fire/ice to farm? That would be pretty cruddy right? Would you fault them for complaining that things could be better?

What if Mnks lost their main dps buff while farming? That would be pretty cruddy right? Would you fault them for complaining that things could be better?

[Ryutamashiisan]

I dont get it why people complain about Monks and their DPS.
Our Monk pulled 300 dps today on Twintania, he's a fucking beast.

There MAY be some quality of life changes that would be great (idk), but from the dps point of view - Monks are fine.

Most people dont know how to play MNK, thats why lol. MNK just needs longer greased lightning for fight mechanics purposes.

[Allyrion]

Since you don't get what I'm saying, I'll explain it more clearly

What if Blms couldn't use Umbra/Astral fire/ice to farm? That would be pretty cruddy right? Would you fault them for complaining that things could be better?

What if Mnks lost their main dps buff while farming? That would be pretty cruddy right? Would you fault them for complaining that things could be better?

That's the thing though, you haven't lost anything.
BLMs drop their buffs faster than grease lightning so really your analogy isn't applicable. It's basically the same.
You can build GL3 on mobs, you can keep the DK debuff on them and you can use the twin snakes position.

It's not magically gone, it's just real world mobs are more spaced out and die too quickly to really use the buffs.
The fact that they die too quickly only emphasizes how trivial it is to have any need of the buffs.
There's no reason a monk should have easy access to GL3 just to go from mob to mob or even dungeon pull to dungeon pull.

You have ramp up, you have many buffs to manage. Monk's weakness is shortlived mobs and aoe, while it's strength lies in sustained single target.
This by, its nature, makes them bad at soloing. I'm not legacy. I did the whole 50 too as a monk. Never saw an issue with this.
All classes don't need to be the same.

Maybe I'm not creative enough, but I just can't see a way to fix your issue while not changing anything in end-game.
I'm also in the camp of people who don't believe solo play really needs any special attention at all.
I mean, I don't mind stuff like dailies but you don't need to work all your combat mechanics in that type of play.
The fact that the mobs die too fast is the only reason this is the case, anyway.
If you want to work with all your buffs, it would better to ask SE to make mobs bosses, or have BAM's like Tera Online.

Lastly, I think most of the people who have a problem with GL3 just have OCD when that they're not doing as much damage as they potentially could. All the time.
But OCD is not very monk-like. Find some peace with things and be a little more Buddhist.

Again, monk's not perfect. We could probably use some range ability, some more utility and some tweaking.
Not of the suggestions so far really address those things (except maybe the range).

[Rochetm]

Now, if we think about this from SE's point of view, one of those factions requires changes to appease. The other requires they make no changes. I am referring to changes to the core mechanics. Changes that would require them to rebalance the job itself, almost from the ground up.

This is it exactly... they would have to rebalance monk with a tiny change in GL. Currently I am glad it falls of between trash pulls because it functions as a threat reducer. If I never had GL drop on trash instances would suck. GL imo is what makes Monk fun.. there is always a sense of urgency.. a feeling that you must hit buttons faster.

I spent two years working on my Paladin in wow only to have the class completely redesigned and I was forced to retire the character. Sure I have no where near that time on my Monk but I also don't ever want to see that happen to this or any other class. It is very depressing.

[warren-ragnarok]

i love my mnk, and really dont like half the ideas thrown out on here in my personal opinion, currently i dont have best gear, mix of DL and peltast gear with relic +1, and i use final boss of WP as a dummy for parsing, and i parse 242, no other dps has managed to beat my 242 parse that i have parsed. I do agree something needs to be done about the GL stacks, either increasing time for loosing them, or making shoulder tackle with a much lower cooldown. PB is perfect as is, mnk is designed to be highest dps with a warm up time, unlike drg and brd which is more sustained damage. mnk by design will always parse lower on trash mobs, but you should be usually the top or near the top of every list. if your parsing very low as a mnk, you need to take a look at what your doing wrong

i do also agree with the aotd idea, as of right, it is just about completely worthless for mnks

[Ashent]

Increase damage to Rockbreaker. Potency is only 130, small range conal area, and only usable in Coeurl Form. Means without Perfect Balance, no way are we spamming this. It requires that we hit with the first 2 combos before being able to use rockbreaker, so I would say increase rockbreaker to maybe like 180 potency.

[Meleena]

Increase damage to Rockbreaker. Potency is only 130, small range conal area, and only usable in Coeurl Form. Means without Perfect Balance, no way are we spamming this. It requires that we hit with the first 2 combos before being able to use rockbreaker, so I would say increase rockbreaker to maybe like 180 potency.

Actually make this an oppener.
Make the aoe silence the third ability from coeurl stance.

[Soukyuu]

Make the aoe silence the third ability from coeurl stance.

Hell no. That would mean you would have to time the END of your combo to the timing of where you have to silence an enemy. It's already hard enough to time it so that you have your opo-opo form at the right moment, I rather not lose the ability to stomp on the ground repeatedly.

If anything, I'd like for Silence to not require opo-opo, this more or less kills our use as silencer.

[Onyxys]

There MAY be some quality of life changes that would be great (idk), but from the dps point of view - Monks are fine.

Yep, you get it! (DerpyCubone)

[hamsteak]

i want to see greased lightning lose 1 stack at a time instead of all 3 at once, i also think perfect balance should be looked at... though besides that i'm fine for the most part (maybe a shorter cd on shoulder tackle? or a reason to use one ilm punch)