HM Titan Fight

[Vespar]

Firstly, Im not out to get flamed or flame anyone else. I merely want to say my piece to SE.

The Titan fight is absolutely horrible! One wipe and it starts a flame war in the party about who is moving and who is not; and people yelling at other people about what they are doing wrong and then cussing and what-not ensues. 9/10 times when I get hit by an aoe, I m well out of the aoe range for about 2-4 seconds before it goes off on my screen, which just ends up in me getting yelled at for "not moving" when clearly on my end I have, so I know how others in the party feel when I clearly see them move OUT of the Aoe too and they still get flung off.

I'm getting so frustrated with Titan and dealing with preachy stressed out people. This game should be fun, not a test of how much stress a person can handle. That being said I'm not asking SE to nerf Titan. Just make his AOE a second longer or so, so the server has a chance to realize that a player has moved...

[silentwindfr]

we do forget another thing about this fight that maybe need to be changed.

actually is 1 tank, 5 DD, 2 healer the most comon group setup used, means it's extremely hard for a tank (especially the warrior) to get a group for do this fight.

[Bayman]

we do forget another thing about this fight that maybe need to be changed.

actually is 1 tank, 5 DD, 2 healer the most comon group setup used, means it's extremely hard for a tank (especially the warrior) to get a group for do this fight.

1 tank, 4 dd, 3 healer unless the group knows the fights or the healers are relic'ed. Not saying you need to do this, but its the best way to learn it. Heart phase you just need to use the melee lb. Yes, you can get hosed by gaul (gal, gauel, w/e THE ROCK PRISON), but the problem is after the heart phase... and that is where the 3 healers really shine. And no, not three healers because there is a WAR tank vs PLD. And war is equivalent to pally when doing titan.... that bias is silly. Now Coil... that is where you start to see the two classes separate from each other.

DF'ing titan is going in gimp'ed to a strong mechanics fight with strangers, as well as wasting a dps or healing spot with another tank.

[duceTRE]

1 tank, 4 dd, 3 healer unless the group knows the fights or the healers are relic'ed. Not saying you need to do this, but its the best way to learn it. Heart phase you just need to use the melee lb. Yes, you can get hosed by gaul (gal, gauel, w/e THE ROCK PRISON), but the problem is after the heart phase... and that is where the 3 healers really shine. And no, not three healers because there is a WAR tank vs PLD. And war is equivalent to pally when doing titan.... that bias is silly. Now Coil... that is where you start to see the two classes separate from each other.

DF'ing titan is going in gimp'ed to a strong mechanics fight with strangers, as well as wasting a dps or healing spot with another tank.

I agree, a 3 healer setup is awesome. I just completed Titan HM on Monday, and Tuesday got through Coil turn 1, can't wait till tonight to do turn 2.

[Weltende]

I actually kind of disagree, I feel like the 3 healer set-up is extreme overkill for this fight.

As far as I've known, the big argument in favor of three healers is healing through the tumults in the last phase. The tumults, however, only get to be a problem if you don't have the DPS to kill Titan before they become a problem, which you won't if:

a) you're bringing 3 healers.
b) your DPS are dying to avoidable damage (stacked plumes, landslide, bombs), in which case no amount of healing is going to save them.

The 3 healer set-up can also necessitate a limit break during the heart phase which is something I'd rather avoid, personally.

I've done the fight with two healers with both PLD and WAR tanks. Both are absolutely fine for the fight so I agree there, whatever stigma people have against WARs doing Titan is questionable at best. I would just rather just bring an extra dps and not make the fight drag out any more than it has to, but that's just my opinion.

[silentwindfr]

the point is saying is not tank friendly, people tend to prefer paladin (i don't care personally). anyway, means for 5/4 dd and 2/3 healer, only one tank get him relic... is really low.

[Mikedizzy]

Pretty much 100% this. I'm comfortable with the fight. I dodge relatively well but I guarantee you I will have been outside of a Weight plume for at least 1 second on my screen and still get hit by it if it pops dead center under me on multiple occasions.

Me too and that is total bullcrap....I now pre-dodge and don't get hit at all...just have to start pre-running. I have also found that as a BARD i now stand at Titans back right foot and my troubles have gone down considerably...I just pretend I am melee. You can never dodge the plumes if you are standing still when it shows up is what I have experienced.

[tyniwins]

I actually kind of disagree, I feel like the 3 healer set-up is extreme overkill for this fight

The 3 healer set-up can also necessitate a limit break during the heart phase which is something I'd rather avoid, personally.

Three healers works cause you can 1 dedicated healer for the tank for table flips and 2 for tumults without having to sacrifice heals on the tank. The biggest problem I see with 2 healer groups is not being swift enough to switch from table flips to tumults and the tank dies or people in the party die.

The only way 3 healers works though is if the DPS is fully geared. LB on the heart might be necessary but isn't that big of deal..

[Ryuko]

Maybe I'm crazy but... I like the Titan fight. I sometimes hang out in Revenant's Toll and join random Titan shout groups to help out. I have the post-heart song memorized and like to sing along as I play. XD

I don't like that the OP says people do this fight once and then don't like to help out. That's very untrue. I am not an exception. There are usually a few people in each shout group I join who are just there to help out.

Here are a few things I have learned about this fight:

1) How well it goes depends on the temperament of the people. If you know the fight, are you willing to give friendly advice, or are you going to berate others? If you don't know the fight, are you going to take advice or get defensive? Will people who aren't doing well at first learn, or will they keep making the same mistakes even after they are corrected? Will people blame lag or will they accept that it is much easier to just dodge ahead of time?

2) Healers have the hardest job in this fight, hands down. All jobs are important in some way, but a healer has to keep the tank up (and cap them off before/after MB), dodge like all of the DPS, Esuna/Leeches the det down debuff ASAP, AND make up for everyone else's mistakes. If you can reduce the load on the healers by not getting hit by unnecessary stuff, the fight will go much smoother, the healers will be less likely to pull hate off the tank, and they will not run out of mana.

3) Very few groups will get it their first time, or their second time, or their third... but after a few tries, you WILL know what the issue is. It takes some groups several hours to get a win, but they do it because everyone stayed. You'll need seven other patient people (plus yourself) to get this done. Stay positive, but not blindly. Be critical, but in a constructive way.

4) I join a lot of shout Titan parties. Out of those, the ones with less requirements (none of the "DL AND GARUDA WEAPON+ ONLY") seem to do better because the people are less picky and dare I say it: elitist. Having good gear just takes time. Playing well takes self-examination and observation of others who play your class. Just because you have great gear doesn't make you an expert. You still have to dodge. Just because you CAN eat a bomb or one plume doesn't mean you should.

5) If someone is simply being bad at their job (low dps or heals), give them a chance first. Try to teach. If they continually won't learn, or blame it on lag, explain that they need to move BEFORE it happens. I often invite people into voice chat so that I can call out when plumes are coming... It helps some people, but if they refuse to listen, there is nothing I can do. If you need to kick someone, NEVER be rude about it. There is no need to be. I usually let someone blame the lag if they want to (even though I get lag and just run preemptively) because then no one is pointing blame and the bad player can leave without feeling offended. I use the phrase 'It's nothing personal' a lot. As a rule of thumb, if someone is getting hit by plumes but NOT landslide, they aren't lagging enough to lose the fight. You can still run ahead of time with plumes.

6) Remember, slow and steady wins the race. Do NOT stop dodging just because you're excited that Titan is almost dead. I can't tell you how many times I see groups completely fall apart when they start to get excited. The last Titan group I was in, I finished it off after EVERYONE else died... I got really lucky in that it was almost dead anyway, but that could have easily been a wipe at <1%!

7) Which LB3 you use at the end depends entirely on your group. If your healers cannot hand the twelve stomps in a row, save it for the tank. If your dps is slow but the healers can easily keep people up through stomps, use the melee LB3. If people die and you can still salvage the fight, use healer LB3. Never raise people to be murdered by stomps.

8) Watch where you are going! Don't run on top of people when plumes are coming. Remember to leave safe areas on the tiny platform.

[Taruranto]

I find the 3 healers setup completely useless, unless the healers are bad and don't bother memorizing P5 pattern. (which happens fairly often, unfortunately)

Maybe I'm crazy but... I like the Titan fight. I sometimes hang out in Revenant's Toll and join random Titan shout groups to help out. I have the post-heart song memorized and like to sing along as I play. XD

You are not alone. As a SCH, it's quite a fun fight. You are forced to use every ability in combination with your fairy buff, it's quite challenging. I basely capped tomes this week with Titan lol.

I actually kind of disagree, I feel like the 3 healer set-up is extreme overkill for this fight.

As far as I've known, the big argument in favor of three healers is healing through the tumults in the last phase. The tumults, however, only get to be a problem if you don't have the DPS to kill Titan before they become a problem, which you won't if:

a) you're bringing 3 healers.
b) your DPS are dying to avoidable damage (stacked plumes, landslide, bombs), in which case no amount of healing is going to save them.

The 3 healer set-up can also necessitate a limit break during the heart phase which is something I'd rather avoid, personally.

I've done the fight with two healers with both PLD and WAR tanks. Both are absolutely fine for the fight so I agree there, whatever stigma people have against WARs doing Titan is questionable at best. I would just rather just bring an extra dps and not make the fight drag out any more than it has to, but that's just my opinion.

I did it many times with a WAR tanking (or heck, 2 WAR, 1 WAR and 1 PLD) and yes , it really doesn't have much problems with Titan. Is it probably safer with a PLD? Of course, Hallowed Ground is a great "oh shit" button, but there is no reason a good WAR can't tank him. I feel like the problem is, once again, bad healers. They need to cap the tank before and after the MB (especially during the bomb phase), but since most ppl either panic or don't know the rotation well, the WAR ends up dying while a PLD has easier time due to the already mentioned mitigation abilities.