HM Titan Fight

[coffeerox]

If you don't know the fight, are you going to take advice or get defensive?

lol I've had that happen to me during a DF run. Healer came in there obviously undergeared. Said he was new and wanted to know the fight. I started telling him, then he cut me off and asked if he could follow any ranged. When he realized midway that we were all right, he said it was a gay way to play the game and we disbanded at that point.

4) I join a lot of shout Titan parties. Out of those, the ones with less requirements (none of the "DL AND GARUDA WEAPON+ ONLY") seem to do better because the people are less picky and dare I say it: elitist.

I think that those people are just looking for carries. They don't have the requirements themselves but they'll invite people that do which makes it all the more easier for them. People used to do this back on WoW with gearscore just to get into ICC.

[Weltende]

Three healers works cause you can 1 dedicated healer for the tank for table flips and 2 for tumults without having to sacrifice heals on the tank. The biggest problem I see with 2 healer groups is not being swift enough to switch from table flips to tumults and the tank dies or people in the party die.

The only way 3 healers works though is if the DPS is fully geared. LB on the heart might be necessary but isn't that big of deal..

I get where you're coming from, but you really don't need an extra healer to be on Mountain Buster duty. Two healers are more than enough to top off the tank both before and immediately after Mountain Buster, while still having the time to pop Divine Seal and start pre-casting for tumults. It's a rhythm but it's not terribly hard to learn.

I might have a bit of a bias because it's been a while since I've healed the fight without a relic (which admittedly increases your healing output substantially), but I would venture to say a Bard for the pinch Ballad will increase your survivability more than a third healer will. I've also never actually done the fight with 3 healers so I guess I'm a bit less qualified to comment on that. In the end, whatever gets your group the win is what counts.

[Pikachew]

I've tried the fight with 3 healers at the start and honestly it was a horrible experience. You seem to rely on rng too much and if a dps gets Gaol during the heart phase you're kinda screwed. Not to mention it'll take longer to reach the heart phase since you need to charge your limit break so people will feel more agitated if you wipe.

[Vespar]

Just the fact that there is 12 pages discussing this should be a good indicator to SE that something needs a tweak or two or three ^^;
Especially when I know some good players who are still 0/100+ on win

[Kafziel]

I did it many times with a WAR tanking (or heck, 2 WAR, 1 WAR and 1 PLD) and yes , it really doesn't have much problems with Titan. Is it probably safer with a PLD? Of course, Hallowed Ground is a great "oh shit" button, but there is no reason a good WAR can't tank him. I feel like the problem is, once again, bad healers. They need to cap the tank before and after the MB (especially during the bomb phase), but since most ppl either panic or don't know the rotation well, the WAR ends up dying while a PLD has easier time due to the already mentioned mitigation abilities.

I have to disagree slightly. While WAR is definitely capable of tanking Titan, they will have to be better geared then a PLD or have great on the ball healers. I have cleared Titan with both a PLD and a WAR. The WAR had better gear than the PLD yet was harder to keep alive during MB. With the PLD using virus and eye for an eye were helpful but not necessary. With a WAR it was far more essential. Titan's normal one two(right left) punch can take out half a WARs health but does only 1/4-1/3 of a PLDs health. The WAR was even basically one shotted from full health(over 7k) when Titan did MB and his one two punch at the same time. Meanwhile an equally geared Paladin topped off would survive that combo (would be around 1k health remaining). Even good healers can have a WAR tank die on them.

[Taruranto]

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I don't disagree with the fact that PLD makes it easier, for example the heart---->P5 transition with a PLD using Hallowed Ground to avoid MB+Stomps (so healers can top everyone pretty nicely) is quite great and more relaxing for healers. What I was trying to say is, there is no reason a good equipped DL WAR can't tank him.

Honestly, for this fight it feels more like that PLD is too powerful rather than the WAR too weak. :P

[Iymala]

Leave the HM Titan fight alone, but remove it from Duty Finder, IMO. It should never have been placed there to begin with. I think the upcoming item level requirements will help immensely with the under geared issue people are running into.

[silentwindfr]

@iymala: the trouble of the fight are not the undergear people, but the latency that randomize way too much this fight, the fact that only one tank is needed and finally... the place this fight hold in the progression (at the 2.1 it will be before ct and i'm kinda sure CT will be simpler than titan!, that already the case for Turn 1 and 2).

this fight is way too punishing for the loot he drop, people saying: yeah but it's recquire for the relic, i will answer this, the relic itself is ilevel 80, same ilevel than CT. not Bahamut coil, it's the myth tomes that allows to get the ilevel 90 not titan.

[XxxVoidxxX]

SE please look into this fight. i have been 2-3 seconds out of Landslide and it still target me and kick me off. Plumes as well. My connection speed is 75mgs up and down so it is not my connection. Can not progress thru without this fight and i will never have enough money to pay the guys who are charging.Trying to pug this in DF is also not very good because it forces you to have 2 tanks and you only need 1 IMO. Obviously iam not the only one with this problem either.

[Draykaden]

For the sake of edit!

3 healers work great, just as 5 dd's work great. It's really about whats needed and how the group is doing. If you have strong dd's a 5th isn't a requirement, but can make the fight quicker. If you have healers that can't keep the tank alive, or can't keep themselves alive after heart phase then a third healer makes it easier. Sometimes aiming for the quickest method leaves little room for error which can create a longer scenario. Just like sacrificing Dmg for healing will take longer if both groups go one and done, but when you have so many issues surrounding titan, combined with so many ppl with short fuses, you may want to consider a setup with more wiggle room if it's possible.

I do a lot of titans just like a lot of ppl in this thread, the one thing I do that seems to help is I have a macro that I hit while Titan is on his attack that is before weights, helps the newer players that aren't familiar with the cycle, and is a wake up call for others that maybe extremely focused in. May help anyone having trouble with others avoiding things.