Tank mentality.

[Ervin]

@Angelwatch: I do feel the same. I feel people should, out of respect to your group, tell them before starting if you are new or not. That way me or someone else will explain it. However, I cant agree on the part about the 3k HP limit really, I did AK fresh in my 45-50 job set with ifrit weapon on my warrior, my friend did it in 45-55 parts. The place went alot smoother than WP which is supposed to be easy.

The dreaded "dps check" on demon wall is a joke. You dont need gear to kill it, you need smart people standing in the right places so they can freecast to their max. Start left/right side, move mid, back to left/right, back to mid for repel. Easy since the AoE is never random. This allows you max uptime as whatever dps you are, you should never have to interrupt a cast. Then sure gear matter a bit at flies, but all you really need is a geared tank and healer to ignore flies. I've never died on wall due to lacking dps, only to stupidity or wrongly placed players.

[Gandora]

The dreaded "dps check" on demon wall is a joke. You dont need gear to kill it, you need smart people standing in the right places so they can freecast to their max.

Because its fine if the bees pop at 15% right.

[konflikti]

I have had groups that all have Relic+1s taking as long as guys with Ifrits on the wall. Sure, there are limits with how bad gear you can do it, but player skill plays a major factor too.

[Gandora]

I have had groups that all have Relic+1s taking as long as guys with Ifrits on the wall. Sure, there are limits with how bad gear you can do it, but player skill plays a major factor too.

The player make the relic & not the other way around for sure, but as Ervin said its not hard to dodge the purple lines, it does not take a big skill to do, just some concentration.
My point was that, when the bees pop at 15-20%, you know that there is a little problem and its where better gears will make a difference, you have to focus less on dodging the lines and the wall pushing you out because the fight should last less time.

[KristianFortNox]

You know just now I found out that if someone used Topaz and Titan Summons mean that person don't trust the Tank. To be honest I feel like make it Tanking easier for me. Yea as Tank i should get all the argo but why not little help on Tank beside using my Paladin's Def Buff and/or Warrior Health Stealing abilities. I don't see it as they don't trust m I see it as he wants to help.

Also to be honest i been a lot of people who being mean to me for no good reason. I going be honest with you guys. I want to them let die so badly they make fun me so bad. But i can't.....

I don't know guys all hear in this Topic of Tank Mentality I agree with some of you guys. There are people who just dicks to raise off the other people pain. Tank got the mentality you can't do this without me is dumb as hell. To be honest I can't do half crap i did without sever and community helps and I don't know why people don't just say thank you community or sever.