Wrongfull suspended for 1 week, then gil removed. SE CS does not want to know.

[ArkhamNative]

if you cancelled and dont like SE then why are you on the forums crying?

So asking for a full review and appeal is crying? ROFL.

Anyway, I was not affected (I have precious few gil), but if SE is confiscating gil or anything from players after determining they played by the rules and did no wrong, I certainly want to know about it. Surely other potential subscribers would want to know if SE has unwritten rules to limit achievement, too.

[magicninja999]

After reading this crap for the last couple day being bored @ work..... I don't understand how the hell they (SE) justify banning people for crafting items and selling them on the market for stupid high prices and then these other ignorant people think they need it and go to an RMT site and buy the gil to buy item off the market for said stupid high price.....

HEY PEOPLE!!! GUESS WHAT!? Its called supply and demand, these crafters spent countless hours grinding up to 50 to craft this crap so they have the right to put it on the market for wtf ever price they see fit, its your own damn fault for being stupid and buying it for the high price...

The funny thing is if RMT was used to get the gil to buy the items, why isn't the gil buyer being punished? But you punish the person who put all time into crafting the item and selling it for a high price and getting lucky because some moron bought it....

OR, crafter made item, sold for stupid price on market, gil seller bought item to deliver gil to buyer?

Only SE knows.... if you're legit and they did this to you, then that's bs and it should be fixT, if you're not legit and you did in fact do what I think you did to seem legit but got caught, then HAHA sir!

I have been playing MMO's for a bit, I used to play with farmers in L2, I know all their little ways of trying to get around being caught, the game people cant prove you actually use real money to buy in game money, that's why the farmers would set it up to make it look like an in game trade, item for item... But SE is a lil smarter, they see an item worth 1000 gil or something like sell for 1kk or w/e amount, ya it could be someone derping around, but when you see it happen like 15 times in a row by the same person, makes you go hmmmmmm?

[scarebearz]

just checking so you had 16million gil and earned that during the free trial or is that also from 1.0 ? I do not know if it is possible to make 12 million in a month if it is thats great. I will need to start speeding things up on my character.

As I makes no difference now, I'll explain.

I started in early access.
I made a char to lvl 14 and re-rolled (wanted a different race)
Started as THM, soon took up Miner/GSM.
Their levels were around the same into the low 30's.
I learned that doing Leve's for GSM was very fast exp, 3x if you hand in a "HQ" item.
I spent almost all my leve's on GSM.
My Miner got to lvl 42 by the time my GSM hit 50 and my BLM was stuck at 39 (still is, I was busy crafting during my playtime)
Once I hit 50 GSM I had loads of electrum from Mining and only around 100k.
I then started crafting HQ and NQ Electrum accessories, as very few were selling these. (Amber, Zircon etc etc)
The HQ ones were selling for around 10k each, they cost me under 2k to make.
For days they sold faster than I could actually craft them
Realised Crafting materia was hard to get, so started making crafted accessory sets to spirit bond when I was crafting lots of easy items (accessories mainly). I bonded 2/3 sets per day, these materia were selling for 10-40k each
Once more started selling these, they still sold fast, but I needed to undercut every now and then.
Geared up my GSM.
Started making the 1-sart HQ items (these were selling easily for around 50k and cost 15k to make roughly)
Needed more retainer room, so I leveled my first char to 17 to unlocked retainer for more sales.
Had a friend pass over dozen's of items, HQ crafted mats, rose gold nuggets, NQ accessories etc.
Continued selling, once things slowed down I got my Weaver to 50. (around 8 mil at this point)
Geared my weaver, started selling weaver 1-star items. (30-70k each)
These also sold faster than I could make them.
continued. (got to around 14.5mil by this point)
On the 26th I crafted a 2-star robe (cost me 400-500k for try), it went HQ, so listed it at 999k (others on the history had sold for 900k+).
Friend said I should try for 1.5mil, so i re-listed it at 1.25mil, as i was going to use it anyway if I could not sell it. (mage still 39, but wanted to gear it eventually)
27th - Logged in - checked retainer - O.o woohoo it sold.
Logged out.
Tried to log in 1 hour later - suspended.

Was it possible some sales were bought by gil buyers? yes
Was it 99% exactly? Extremely unlikely

The only thing that stands out that may have been, is the 2-star robe, but that could just have easily been another crafter/titian run seller/materia seller. etc

[kaiyouske]

You do realize that it costs more to engage in any kind of legal battle, be it with SE for breaking the ToS or trying to defraud them, your credit card company for instigating fraudulent charges against SE, or fees incurred throughout the process than the game, and associated subscription costs for like the entire time you will play it is right?

People buy games, they hate them, and either return them or sell them to gamestop for 5 cents on the dollar. You're not entitled to anything from SE any more than you are entitled to anything from your ISP, Wireless carrier, television provider, or even your landlord or bank/mortgage holder. Once you take steps to defraud someone that redflags your entire credit history, and you are royally up the creek without a paddle for the next decade the next time you try to borrow money for anything.

It's not worth destroying your credit history over a video game. If you hate it, walk away from it and quit giving them money. I tell people this on Freemium games all the time, and no, they still buy stuff and turn around and whine and scream about how poorly the company is run.

It's pointless to expect anything of the tech forums (go look at the "resolved" issues forum, the moderators are just closing everything that isn't being bumped.) For all intents the Tech forums is the real General Discussion forum because nobody who posts here can post there.

It's called class action lawsuit. Duh.

Besides, I was going to support FF14 ARR and bought the PC collector's and everything. Then the crap CS happened so I sold it for 3Xs of what I got it for and I didn't pay a single dime on the subscription. Needless to say I won't be subbing this game.

And get off your high horse, SE is promising a SERVICE and they're doing horribly at it and as a business the customers ARE ENTITLED to said service since we paid MONEY. It's common sense really.

[mikoto_qc]

The main problem is US and SE.
If there is some pepeol that are buying Gils its because the game it self does not generate enough gils. SE fault.
A.H item are sometime sold to high or to low. Community fault.
Just like you state

The HQ ones were selling for around 10k each, they cost me under 2k to make

main quest give you around 200k and some pepeol sell item for 100k. thats 50% of the money non-crafter gatherer will make. so at some time they will end up fast out of money. so they turn to RMT for support. You end-up with the RMT gils because you support high cost of item @ AH And SE support RMT by not giving enough way to generate Gils.

[scarebearz]

main quest give you around 200k and some pepeol sell item for 100k. thats 50% of the money non-crafter gatherer will make. so at some time they will end up fast out of money. so they turn to RMT for support. You end-up with the RMT gils because you support high cost of item @ AH And SE support RMT by not giving enough way to generate Gils.

Fates give gil, dg's give gil, leve's give gil and all the quests to 50 would give you a lot more than 200k if you only take the gil rewards.

At the time these hq lvl 49 accessories were the best people could get before starting lvl 50 dg's, so 10k each is not actually a lot and most lvl 50's could afford them.

[C000kiemonster]

Like many others I had by account wrongfully suspended, then my on hand gil divided by 100. (from 12.6 mil to 126k)

I want an actual Human GM to investigate my account properly and return my gil.

I still have the gil that was on my retainers and on my alt (4.5mil), but this was wrong and I want my gil returned.

For those who don't know what's been going on, before you comment please look here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-gil-removal

call phone support and wait for a couple hours
have ticket number ready
ask for supervisor
ask for ticket to be given priority
wait 7 days
pray
try again.

[scarebearz]

call phone support and wait for a couple hours
have ticket number ready
ask for supervisor
ask for ticket to be given priority
wait 7 days
pray
try again.

Seems about it, but will keep trying to get an actual GM to talk to.

[Ervin]

Please read OP's post. The bigger issue here is twofold, and he mentions one of them - they didn't investigate, they just took us all and did /100. That doesn't suggest an investigation, it doesn't suggest a human looked at our accounts. The second issue is that for large sales (1M+), I only had a few customers. They're all still online, and they're all still wearing the stolen gear. So my question is also, if I had no way of knowing they bought gil, how do they get to keep the gear they *knew* they were buying by cheating, but I get punished when I didn't even *know* any cheating was going on?

SE, you are currently letting the criminals get away while unfairly punishing the crafters who were following the mandate we were given by the guy in the cart at the beginning of the game - I picked 'fortune'. Right now I'm terrified to try for fortune again, because you've made it clear that cheaters can pay for my wares and walk away laughing while I get punished for their actions. This is so wrong, and if it's not fixed I will not stay to be a scapegoat for criminal actions.

How are you still sure they run around with the gear they bought?

SE had to do what needed to be done, rebalance the economy and remove wrongfully generated gil. It's not the first game it happens in and certainly not the last when it comes to MMOs. NW had issues with wrongfully obtained currency, what happened? 24 hour rollback for everyone including those not effected at all. And looking at what has been written here by some, many things were overpriced considering the age of the game.

If they have tracked down the gil and seen it end up on crafters, they still need to remove the gil from the game, before it can do more harm. It's not a small amount of wrongfully obtained gil, it was "Approximately 367,700 million Gil" as they say. That is alot of gil, so chances are many of the pure crafters got hit by it due to gil buyers buying their craftings.

[KevinC]

People seem to forget that top crafter and top gatherer were often the only provider for the whole server for certain tier of stuff and thus made a lot of money out of it. I got rich selling stuff at no higher than 13k a piece, I just sold a whole lot to a lot of people.