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  1. #331
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    Orsnoire Le'oxe
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    Quote Originally Posted by C-croft View Post
    Fact: Repeatable leves can generate 1500 gil for HQ turn-ins x 3 in Coerthas. 4500 per total turn in if you are geared correctly and can HQ. At 100 leves x 4500 gil you will have made 450,000 gil. Of course that's if you have banked all the leves. If not, 6 daily leves x 4500 gil = 27,000 gil. Or you can wait the 17 days for a full 100 leves.

    Pure profit assuming you also gather. You can use the market to buy your mats at the cost of your own profit.
    Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

    Fact: That's their problem.

    Speculation: Yoshi-P saying there is not enough money being generated.

    Fact: You can 'farm' goods as a DoW or DoM to put up on the market, such as gathering and crafting materia, drops for crafting, tomes for potash, coke etc.

    Fact: By asking for more gil generation, you are in turn asking for more inflation.

    Fact: The gil sinks is what gives gil a base value. Removing sinks, or even reducing them, reduces the value of gil.

    Is that enough fact for you? Or would you like more? In any economy, there is always someone who works harder and profits more. Since each player is their own 'business' only the ones who are willing to work harder profit.

    TLDR: you're doing it all wrong.
    I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.

    Ignoramus is ignorant.

    your real TLDR should read: TLDR: I like economies where gil is highly valued, and don't understand macroeconomics.
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    Last edited by Orsnoire; 10-04-2013 at 11:33 PM.

  2. #332
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallows View Post
    People dont pay for the sub so they can work in a virtual sweatshop. They pay to play a game, relax and watch their pixels do awesome stuff like slaying dragons.
    The crafting system in this game is way more complex, fleshed out and more fun than the combat system. My signature proves that some people do play this game for the crafting more than the combat. And you're more than welcome to go slay all of the dragons you want. Just don't expect to get rich doing it. This is an MMORPG. It's a digital alternate universe. It's not Diablo.

    In real life people do crafting as a way to have fun and relax. I don't know many people who go to war or do guard duty for fun. That's a literal sweat shop.
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  3. #333
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    Quote Originally Posted by busta View Post
    The crafting system in this game is way more complex, fleshed out and more fun than the combat system. My signature proves that some people do play this game for the crafting more than the combat. And you're more than welcome to go slay all of the dragons you want. Just don't expect to get rich doing it. This is an MMORPG. It's a digital alternate universe. It's not Diablo.

    In real life people do crafting as a way to have fun and relax. I don't know many people who go to war or do guard duty for fun. That's a literal sweat shop.
    Lol @ previous threads containing gil spent sellswords that lacked DoL/DoHs. After the main scenario and side quests your "mighty warrior" is pretty gil-less after a couple weeks or so.
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  4. #334
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orsnoire View Post
    I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.

    Ignoramus is ignorant.

    your real TLDR should read: TLDR: I like economies where gil is highly valued, and don't understand macroeconomics.
    I actively study economics and have gone through many dozens of economics books by a large number of major economic authors. There's nothing technically inaccurate about what this man said. All you did was engage in a bunch of ad hominems while failing to provide any real critique or alternative analysis.
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  5. #335
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    Quote Originally Posted by busta View Post
    I actively study economics and have gone through many dozens of economics books by a large number of major economic authors. There's nothing technically inaccurate about what this man said. All you did was engage in a bunch of ad hominems while failing to provide any real critique or alternative analysis.
    That guy is claiming servers are losing Gil while boasting that he has lots of it himself.

    He's also calling everyone else ignorant.


    It's not worth it, trust me...
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    Last edited by Codek; 10-05-2013 at 03:19 AM.

  6. #336
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallows View Post
    People dont pay for the sub so they can work in a virtual sweatshop. They pay to play a game, relax and watch their pixels do awesome stuff like slaying dragons.
    And you still can. I gave you alternatives for making money to provide you with enough income to power through your weekly repair bill.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orsnoire View Post
    I guarantee I have more gil than you. So LOL at your "you're doing it all wrong" garbage.
    Then where is this gil problem you keep crying about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Okipuit View Post
    We understand that the cost for dark matter when using Grand Company seals is rather high at the moment, and we will be taking a look at the amount of Grand Company seals everyone possess and plan on making it so you can exchange them for dark matter at an appropriate price. This adjustment will be made in patch 2.1.
    Using GC to repair merely bypasses gil reduction - it does nothing for gil generation, which is what this thread is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laryndra View Post
    Ive created well over 15m since release.. Craft. Lol.
    You didn't "create" any gil. You merely traded it from other people that "created" it.
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  9. #339
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    Quote Originally Posted by C-croft View Post
    Fact: People do not want to spend the time or effort to level gathering or crafting.

    Fact: That's their problem.

    Speculation: Yoshi-P saying there is not enough money being generated.

    Fact: You can 'farm' goods as a DoW or DoM to put up on the market, such as gathering and crafting materia, drops for crafting, tomes for potash, coke etc.

    Fact: The gil sinks is what gives gil a base value. Removing sinks, or even reducing them, reduces the value of gil.
    you forgot some important FACTs


    Fact: Using the Market Board DO NOT PUT GIL in to the Game, it REMOVES IT

    Fact: leveling your Crafter class or gather maths on DoW or DoM do not put gil in the the Game it only transfer between players if you do not sell to NCP

    Fact: using the Market Board make Gil disappear and transfer between players not Generate

    Fact: Levels, FATEs. Dungeons, Quests or selling stuff to NCP is the ONLY way to Generate Gil.

    Fact: so if you can't make more then you use let say a endgame person use 10k Gil in repairs each 5th run he needs to make 10k gil in 5 runs or find a way to make 10k Gil for WITHOUT losing more in repairs.

    Fact: if you cant make more Gil then you use, you got Gil problem.

    yes you can use gear that you can soulbind or craft your own gear and save the trouble that way but the issue is that this should not be the case in my option.
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    Last edited by lyse20; 10-05-2013 at 04:30 AM.

  10. #340
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyse20 View Post
    you forgot some important FACTs


    Fact: Using the Market Board DO NOT PUT GIL in to the Game, it REMOVES IT - This is to increase your personal wealth to afford your own gear repairs, purchases etc. Take care of your own repairs and gear. That's what people want right?

    Fact: leveling your Crafter class or gather maths on DoW or DoM do not put gil in the the Game it only transfer between players if you do not sell to NCP - Incorrect, read again the portion regarding the use of your leves, which is used for leveling and gil generation.

    Fact: using the Market Board make Gil disappear and transfer between players not GenerateSame as your first bullet point.

    Fact: Levels, FATEs. Dungeons, Quests or selling stuff to NCP is the ONLY way to Generate Gil.DoW/M's problem is personal wealth to afford gear/repairs. DoH/L have no problems with gil generation or personal wealth. Use an alternative to increase your personal wealth. That's what should matter to you.

    Fact: so if you can't make more then you use let say a endgame person use 10k Gil in repairs each 5th run he needs to make 10k gil in 5 runs or find a way to make 10k Gil for WITHOUT losing more in repairs.Lucky for you, gear repairs have been brought down. It should not cost 10k per 5 runs. You can't throw random numbers out because the max cost of repair is your baseline. No one is going to do the work for you anyway. Your runs, your work.

    Fact: if you cant make more Gil then you use, you got Gil problem.Yep, a personal one.

    yes you can use gear that you can soulbind or craft your own gear and save the trouble that way but the issue is that this should not be the case in my option.So you want welfare?

    enjoy
    /10char

    I would also like to add that on Goblin, the going rate for tome crafting mats is about 30k. Potash is 125 tomes of philosphy, going through CM grants 100 per run(correct me if I am wrong). After 5 runs and a '10k' repair bill, you can buy 4 potash with 500 tomes . That is 120k worth of mats. 110k profit. That's 50 runs worth of repairs. Plus another 10k for teleporting everywhere.
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    Last edited by C-croft; 10-05-2013 at 05:45 AM.

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