Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

[Raiz_Cineris]

"I dont read"

they arent complaining about being able to make cash from market board. They are concerned about the fall of the economy since the amount of gil sink outweigh the games ability to PRODUCE gil into the game.. This has nothing to do with exchanging gil/items between characters.. This has everything to do with how the economy if offsetting the amount of gil taken OUT of the game with the amount of gil being PUT INTO the game.

Did you even read?

[Valcro]

This has everything to do with how the economy if offsetting the amount of gil taken OUT of the game with the amount of gil being PUT INTO the game

This argument ignores that with work one can cover their "bills". Some people just don't want to do the work which was an inevitable mindset for players when the game was set to easy mode. I don't want to do the work, either. I don't want to spam battle leves or even more FATES than I already have to. So what did I do? I crafted. Even just the craft leves are far superior to battles for gil payout.

This whole thing started a few weeks ago as "I'm a DoW/M and I can't make no real money to pay my bills unless I take a timeout and farm it! Help me!" and turned into "You should help me because I'm not naturally earning enough gil through normal play to pay my repair bills! See it's a problem of gil creation vs termination." Clever, but if there's anyone who will make you work for it, it's SE.

[Nova_Dresden]

This argument ignores that with work one can cover their "bills". Some people just don't want to do the work which was an inevitable mindset for players when the game was set to easy mode. I don't want to do the work, either. I don't want to spam battle leves or even more FATES than I already have to. So what did I do? I crafted. Even just the craft leves are far superior to battles for gil payout.

This whole thing started a few weeks ago as "I'm a DoW/M and I can't make no real money to pay my bills unless I take a timeout and farm it! Help me!" and turned into "You should help me because I'm not naturally earning enough gil through normal play to pay my repair bills! See it's a problem of gil creation vs termination." Clever, but if there's anyone who will make you work for it, it's SE.

Working to cover your bills isn't the problem at hand. Character Maintenance costs and market board taxes are taking away more gil than the game generates. FATEs don't really generate a lot per FATE, and Leves might give gil but not really a lot to cover repair costs on gear during production for some players unless you do the crafting Leves and turn in HQ results. Right now repair costs are my major gil-sink and I could offset that by repairing it myself, but then I'd have to level like 4 crafts to repair the AF I'm using.

My opinion is that gil has too high a value in this game. There's a reason why you never get inundated with gil-seller spam in WoW and you're slammed daily on this game. Gold in WoW isn't a highly weighted currency because it generates fast and isn't the primary source of gear and day-to-day necessities. Gil still defines all market prices, repairs, relics, etc. I stopped using the market board a long time ago and started hoarding what little gil I can (~210k and I'm almost poor by the game's standards) when I tried to buy a level 20 shield that was priced for 200k. One food for tanking: 8k. A Ring: 20k. Prices aren't in sync with the actual amounts people can afford at the proper level, and I'm thinking gil-buying became a go-to for a lot of people because of that causing the rampant inflation and large influx of gil. The perpetual prices they shout went from $3 per 1M to over $30, and I find it hard to believe that no one bought a lot of gil at that price before they banned all those accounts and that massive amount of gil.

[davidbowie]

There's a reason why you never get inundated with gil-seller spam in WoW and you're slammed daily on this game. Gold in WoW isn't a highly weighted currency because it generates fast and isn't the primary source of gear and day-to-day necessities.

lol really you run badboy thats why you don't get tells from gold farmers but they are there yes and they sell gold because people buy it and yes people craft in wow and make gold just like people craft in ffxiv so please lets not go there and act like uh it dont happen on other mmo's bullcrap!

and gear on wow is expensive i play on one of the highest populated servers to date and i can tell you yes they exist and yes the ah market is high and people do make money from crafting the nice thing you can repair your own gear in this game if you just do the damn tradeskills.....

by the way the gear sets look like crap in wow since mop and repairs are cheap its the mats that are expensive and you have to do raids to get many of the higher level mats and patterns...

[Rawkzor]

Turning in high quality items for crafting guild leves is pretty rewarding. Especially if you grab a few from different class. If you run it yourself, you don't have to worry about teleport fees, though I think the time saved porting might make up for the cost.

[Orsnoire]

Turning in high quality items for crafting guild leves is pretty rewarding. Especially if you grab a few from different class. If you run it yourself, you don't have to worry about teleport fees, though I think the time saved porting might make up for the cost.

Not to be jerky, just wanting to make a point. So I've had 50 GSM for a while now, and spent the last 10 levels turning in mostly HQs for the XP. The highest I ever saw given for a single levequest was 1600 gil.

Now, not to put to fine a point on it, but 1600 gil BARELY covers the transportation costs associated with that HQ leve, much less the repairs after a few of those. So to make the spurious argument that "guild leves [are] pretty rewarding" is fairly disingenuous.

Considering that I can make at least 5 times that amount for crafting the exact same item and selling it on the Market Ward, one has to question your awareness about endgame when you make a claim like

high quality items for crafting guild leves is pretty rewarding

[Codek]

Not to be jerky, just wanting to make a point. So I've had 50 GSM for a while now, and spent the last 10 levels turning in mostly HQs for the XP. The highest I ever saw given for a single levequest was 1600 gil.

Now, not to put to fine a point on it, but 1600 gil BARELY covers the transportation costs associated with that HQ leve, much less the repairs after a few of those. So to make the spurious argument that "guild leves [are] pretty rewarding" is fairly disingenuous.

Considering that I can make at least 5 times that amount for crafting the exact same item and selling it on the Market Ward, one has to question your awareness about endgame when you make a claim like

Some leve's allow you to complete it up to 3 times from one allowance. When these are done with HQ items, it can yield ~5k Gil per Leve quest or 30k per day. If that person is also farming the mats and crafting the recipes themselves, then the costs are usually around 1k for travel and 3k for repairs at most. It's a profit of 26k per day.

[Orsnoire]

Some leve's allow you to complete it up to 3 times from one allowance. When these are done with HQ items, it can yield ~5k Gil per Leve quest or 30k per day. If that person is also farming the mats and crafting the recipes themselves, then the costs are usually around 1k for travel and 3k for repairs at most. It's a profit of 26k per day.

Doesn't change the fact that for the same items, I can turn around and sell them at 5x that amount in the same time frame.

I stand by what I said before: it's pretty disingenuous to state that crafting leves are all that rewarding. To be "rewarding" it should generate at least similar (i.e. 3/4ths or higher) what you can get off the market ward, if not more.

[Codek]

Doesn't change the fact that for the same items, I can turn around and sell them at 5x that amount in the same time frame.

I stand by what I said before: it's pretty disingenuous to state that crafting leves are all that rewarding. To be "rewarding" it should generate at least similar (i.e. 3/4ths or higher) what you can get off the market ward, if not more.

Unless your selling the items to vender NPC's for more then you get from leve's, I'm not seeing the problem here.

If other players are buying items for more then they are worth then more power to you.

[Gamemako]

Doesn't change the fact that for the same items, I can turn around and sell them at 5x that amount in the same time frame.

If you can still sell it to others for so much more, that only tells me that the amount of gil generated elsewhere in the economy is too great for generating gil via leves to be efficient. Prices have to fall considerably, beyond mere supply differences; in particular, you have to see generator prices plummet. I still made 200k gil on HQ hi-pots while leveling ALC, selling them to other players. People have the gil to be willing to invest that much. It's not going to go the other way, either. Basically, there's still too much going in for what's going out to make a difference. From an overall standpoint, gil is still accumulating, and that's bad. Yoshi is adding more gil generation because people whine that nobody gifted them 10,000,000,000 gil per day for being soawsum50. He knows damn well that will wreck the economy, and will price houses at probably 5-10 mil to make it work while he readies more sinks.