Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[FancyPants]

Is there a definitive BIS list for Dragoons? I know some other people in this thread have posted different BIS lists based on high crit and det, but I have also seen people come up with BIS based on Skill Speed and was very curious how that would turn out. I guess what I'm asking is it cuz of incorrect parsers we don't have a definitive BIS list or because not everyone has all the gear to test it out yet? If there is a correct BIS utilizing Coil + Myth gear, it would look great on the OP page. =)

[Hollow_Tears]

Do dragoons even use mp skills because i have little over 650 mp and i have not seen any. My pug is lvl19 and my mar is lvl15 so unless they get mp useing cross-class skills at higher levels such mp is pointless, and no i have not put any points in INT/MIN/PIE.

[xyaie]

we have nothing that uses MP, inherently no physical DPS does shy of bard (monk might one day, their stances say they consume MP but they dont atm).

[Ayvar]

Is there a definitive BIS list for Dragoons? I know some other people in this thread have posted different BIS lists based on high crit and det, but I have also seen people come up with BIS based on Skill Speed and was very curious how that would turn out. I guess what I'm asking is it cuz of incorrect parsers we don't have a definitive BIS list or because not everyone has all the gear to test it out yet? If there is a correct BIS utilizing Coil + Myth gear, it would look great on the OP page. =)

I believe Easy's BiS list from several pages back is based on maximizing stat weights as opposed to aiming for maximizing one specific stat. I'll wait for him to confirm that. If that is the case then hitting your accuracy cap while having the mix of gear that provides the highest overall stat score (based on weightings) would be the best choice. If people think it'd be useful to have that list in the guide then I'm happy to add it in.

[EasymodeX]

Yeah it's based on hitting 46x (the two sets listed should give 466 and 470) acc with maximum stat weights.

I did not include HQ Crafted gear, however, since I don't know what the stat caps on those look like. Only Myth and Allagan pieces were considered.

[Hanemakikaze]

So, how much of a DPS loss is getting Wyrm Mail over Relic +1 first? Really tired of looking at ugly ass darklight & wondering how much I'd be missing out on if I got the body first & kept normal relic.

[himehime]

Yeah it's based on hitting 46x (the two sets listed should give 466 and 470) acc with maximum stat weights.

I did not include HQ Crafted gear, however, since I don't know what the stat caps on those look like. Only Myth and Allagan pieces were considered.

the stat caps are set by equipment slot and ilvl. for example

bard darklight hat = 12 dex 14 vit 11 acc 16 crit
drg darklight hat = 12 str 14 vit 11 acc 11 det
stat cap for darksteel helmet = 12 str 12 dex 14 vit 11 acc 16 crit 11 det

in general the extra STR from ilvl90 will beat extra secondary stats still

[EasymodeX]

That helps; yeah that means the HQ crafted gear all sucks compared to Myth/Allagan, except for the accessories for specific cases (you can add Vit materia for more HP).

[Ayvar]

So, how much of a DPS loss is getting Wyrm Mail over Relic +1 first? Really tired of looking at ugly ass darklight & wondering how much I'd be missing out on if I got the body first & kept normal relic.

This is easy enough to calculate using the stat weights. Gae Bolg+1 increases WD by +2, STR by +4, and CRIT by +3 (also a small accuracy boost). Switching from DL chest to Wyrm gives you +9 STR, +6 DET, -19 SS and +24 CRIT. Using the following weights from the guide:

Weapon Damage: 7.54
Strength: 1
Determination: .22
Crit: 0.16
Skill Speed: .146

That means the +1 increases your stat score by 2*7.54 + 4*1 + 3*0.16=+19.56

The Wyrm chest increases your score by 9*1 + 6*0.22 - 19*0.146 + 24*0.16=+11.386

Moral of the story is stat weights make gear decisions easy, and always go for Weapon Damage

Yeah it's based on hitting 46x (the two sets listed should give 466 and 470) acc with maximum stat weights.

I did not include HQ Crafted gear, however, since I don't know what the stat caps on those look like. Only Myth and Allagan pieces were considered.

Good, I'll throw the 470 acc list up on the guide then since you said you barely lose any side-stats, and having 470 accuracy is a good hedge for Coil until we have a solid number.

[Hanemakikaze]

Thanks for the info, body it is.