An Examination of "Vote to Kick"

[Fyrebrand]

As this is still a point of contention for some people, and based on responses I've seen in other threads about this topic, I thought I would compile some of the additional limitations/safeguards that a smart Vote to Kick feature should have. After all, we're all aware of ways a Vote to Kick could potentially be abused -- but rather than just reject the whole notion out of hand, wouldn't it be better to respond to specific abuses and eliminate/minimize them?

It goes without saying, but these are far from perfect, so let's change/tweak them as needed:


1) New players (characters who have not successfully completed the dungeon before) cannot be kicked. I suppose this would still allow new players to troll a group without being kicked out, but realistically I find it hard to imagine that a significant amount of new players would rather do this than progress. At worst, those X% of new players can only be "new" once, and it's far better than the 100% of players who have the options to troll and go AFK now.

2) No kicks may take place during combat, no kicks directly after a boss is downed & loot is being rolled on, and no kicks after final boss has been defeated. No kicking a player in the first few minutes of them entering a dungeon, for any reason. I'm tempted to include something about kicking just before the final boss, though I'm not sure about the particulars.

3) In a Light Party, you need 3 out of 4 players to pass a vote to Kick. In a full party, you need either 6 or 7 out of 8 (I'm not sure of exact number in this case, perhaps the requirement could fluctuate based on circumstances).

4) There should probably be limits on the amount of kicks a player can vote in per day, or perhaps a cooldown on kicking for any particular group.

5) Replacements for kicked players must be drawn from the random Duty Finder pool. Maybe you can manually invite a friend or FC member if the party was fully put together before originally entering the dungeon (I can imagine ways that might be abused, but they seem rare/impractical enough not to be a widespread problem. Am I wrong?)

6) A player who is kicked while "disconnected" will count as having abandoned the group, and will suffer the penalty for leaving. Apologies to those of us who get legitimately disconnected against their will, but this is necessary to deter the players who intentionally "disconnect" rather than leave.

7) The penalty for leaving is increased in general, and further increased with each group you abandon per day. Penalty for leaving a group that includes a first-timer is also increased.

8) Boss rooms cannot be entered unless all players are alive and within a reasonably small radius from the entrance to the room.


Any further suggestions? Please be as specific as possible. :-)

[Obreck]

I played Swtor for quite a bit (a good guild goes a long way). It had a vote kick system that would have been quite easy to abuse, requiring only 50% of the party agreeing. And yet I only remember 1 example of someone abusing it the whole year I was playing, and even that was just the hearsay of a friend.

This game needs a vote to kick system, its the lesser of 2 evils by a long shot.

[Crica]

Duty Finder is a tool for players whom either A) are not able to form their own groups or B) can't be bothered to form their own groups.

If player A joins a Duty Finder group, then they are begging for ppl to help them in a party and beggers can not be choosers, and therefore should give up any right to have control over whom may or may not be in the group and they should leave the group if they feel anyone in the group is not up to their personal standards.

If player B joins a Duty Finder group, then they CHOOSE to give up any right to have control over whom may or may not be in the group and they should leave the group if they feel anyone in the group is not up to their personal standards.

Sorry, but if you want to control whom may remain in any group you are in then you should form your own groups.

That's how I feel about that.

[Talma]

Vote-kick for this game would be a terrible idea. The community climate in FFXIV is by and large not what it was in XI... and if you understand the implications of that you understand why a vote-kick system for this game would be a terrible idea.

The last thing we need is a system that will be wholly abused by "Elitetank Ubermensch" or "Missthang Healprincess"(disclaimer: not real names...at least I truly hope not) against learning players who make half of one mistake on the wrong day.

AFK'ing players are not an epidemic, and if they happen to be from your perspective, you are just really(really) unlucky, or bending the truth quite a bit. Simple solution to avoid any of it? Play with friends or join an FC and run dungeons with them.

[Papamax]

Like a lot of other things that are standard fare in today's AAA MMOs (tab-targeting that works, the ability to right-click a name in chat to block/blist/report somebody, mobs that drop actual loot, etc.) a vote-kick system for DF is needed, and should have been in at launch. I can't understand why it isn't there. The arguments against it don't hold any water.

[Pathetic]

If they going to implement vote kick they better give me option to filter out premade group. Here a few thing will happen with vote kick system.

1. Baddie will just premade prevent from getting vote kick.
2. Baddie will blame/vote kick you for them the one who don't know the mechanic
3.Douchbag premade prevent you from vote kick them and you in their mercy instead

I hate being vote kick unfairly.If 3 randomly pple kick me I only got myself to blame. Well i'm saying give me option to filter out premade group from my DF.

[Roaminggnome]

First use of vote kick will probably end up being somebody kicked for watching the cut scene.

[LiadansWhisper]

OP, I agree 100% with you. We desperately need a Vote to Kick. It might be abused sometimes, but people are already abusing the lack of a Vote to Kick.

It's going to destroy the Duty Finder if they don't get it under control. I'm already completely unwilling to randomly queue for anything because of the horrible experiences I've had with Duty Finder groups at max level. Most of the people I know are saying the same things. So what happens when no one wants to use the Duty Finder? Only those with friends/connections will get to actually complete dungeons in a timely, fun manner. The rest are either going to be SOL or endure truly awful experiences.

If they going to implement vote kick they better give me option to filter out premade group. Here a few thing will happen with vote kick system.

1. Baddie will just premade prevent from getting vote kick.
2. Baddie will blame/vote kick you for them the one who don't know the mechanic
3.Douchbag premade prevent you from vote kick them and you in their mercy instead

I hate being vote kick unfairly.If 3 randomly pple kick me I only got myself to blame. Well i'm saying give me option to filter out premade group from my DF.

WoW solved this by making it so that groups that queued together only counted as "1" vote in a vote-to-kick scenario.

[Ceelo_Mage]

this is a solid Thread

but

there are those that would say they pay their sub so they can play how they choose and it sucks but its true

[Papamax]

::snip::
there are those that would say they pay their sub so they can play how they choose and it sucks but its true

That's only true to a point. Being a screw up because you don't know the dungeon (or how to play your class) is one thing. Being a screw up so you can grief other players is a breach of the ToS. The former can be addressed, providing you're willing to listen and learn. The latter requires an attitude adjustment, usually delivered via GM intervention.

A vote-kick system for the DF may run the risk of being abused, but the alternative is worse.