Quote Originally Posted by CurlyBruce View Post
Vengeance is not gonna produce anywhere near 120-400 damage. If you are including your own auto-attacks and WSs then maybe, but even still 30-100 HP per GCD is a pittance when you are getting regularly blasted in the face for 1500-1700 from regular mob auto-attacks let alone WS.
Everyone is missing this here. With vengeance up, you counterattack EVERY...HIT...YOU...TAKE...FROM WHAT YOU ARE TANKING. Including abilities! You also get health from your regular auto attacks, your ability combos, and everything else you happen to be doing at the time. Combine that with unchained as well, and the potential self healing during the duration of bloodbath is much higher.

Even though you're not getting the attack animation for Veng, it goes off every single time you are attacked by an enemy in any way, which in turn with bloodbath, heals you.