BLM vs Bard

[Teleniel]

From a Tanks perspective.

Summoner is my favorite DPS job assuming nothing needs to be slept. Sharing DoT's across things does not build up aggro very fast, so it's very easy to tank for you.
Black Mage is my second favorite DPS job. You have Sleep (and some of you even use it). You have very nice spike damage and will not sputter out in a fight.
Bard is my THIRD favorite DPS job. Spike Damage is great (let me have more than 1 action before you blow your load). Limit Break is useless in 4 man content.
Monk / Dragoon are tied at the end. Stun skill, and Single Target LB are really the only things I'm happy with here.

From a DPS perspective.

I love that Bard doesn't have cast times. That's why I leveled it, even if it was low on the totem pole for damage I can be mobile while I DPS.
I like the idea BLM has strong support with being able to sleep targets, and that I never have to worry about running out of MP.
I don't like playing Summoner, trying to keep focused to keep DOTs up when things just die quickly makes me feel useless even if the damage ticks away.

I don't like Monk/Dragoon the attack range is too small so if things fidget I can't hit them and most of my combo's are only average unless I'm running in circles around the enemy.

[LeviathanElite]

Go roll Monk. A class that can move and pump out tons of hits and still have trouble registering on the dps meter. You have no idea what's not fair.

A common thing when someone acknowledges they can provide no further points. Attributing to something outside of the direct argument that is barely relevant to the topic at hand.

I am aware of the monk's problems and they do need a massive buff. But this is the BLM vs Bard thread.

[EtherRose]

Because you move while casting attacks and have short cooldowns.

I (a pure dps oriented class) do less damage while staying it the same spot to cast much longer spells.

Uhh, what? BLM's Flare Can do up to 2k if not, more. BLM's do ALOT of DMG (Assuming you know how to play it and good rotations), but i'm going to assume you don't. This is just basically another QQ thread of "I want BLM's to be able to move while casting", which will NEVER happen.

[arctic]

A common thing when someone acknowledges they can provide no further points. Attributing to something outside of the direct argument that is barely relevant to the topic at hand.

I am aware of the monk's problems and they do need a massive buff. But this is the BLM vs Bard thread.

I'm sure you think you said something there. But you really didn't. Unless you really did just admit that all this is - is just you not being good enough to out dps bards. It's not about "fair," it's just you and your feelings of inadequacies.

I know plenty of great BLMS can keep up and pass up bards during boss fights. So this truly is just about you.

[Warlyx]

It keeps coming back to the same question. How is that fair>? How is that good game design?

tell that to monks lancers , but yeah is all about ME and MY JOB. that must be top dps

u want the best of every world

high surv : manaward , manawall , teleport
high dps : AoE and single
No MP problems
Good Limit Break : Meteorite
utility : sleep aoe. slow +heavy , resistance buff for the party (apoca)

and on top of that u guys want to do that on the move? sure, then we all can be BLMS and no1 will need monks lancers or bards (well maybe 1 for requiem so the other blms can enjoy more dmg)

[Nihility]

well honestly i wasn't saying it's fair just that's the entire reason behind it

something like changing "increased action damage II" to a different effect and removing the song penalty would probably actually boost party effectiveness and bard would still be comparable damage

really monk has so many downsides it should be the top damage, so much positioning and comboing, and buff maintenance required while also forced to melee for the worst damage of the dd's is way off

[UBERHAXED]

Bards already have nerfs: Abilities that reduce DPS, LB that does no damage as a DD, and of course you are all ignoring the fact that all bows are weaker than every other weapon in the game (everyone had equal attack stats except for archers (yes, including healers and tanks), in addition to no unconditionally usable moves with higher potency than their level 1 move. If you are being out damaged by a Bard, it's because the Bard is a better player than you and knows how to work around all of his disadvantages.

[LeviathanElite]

I'm sure you think you said something there. But you really didn't. Unless you really did just admit that all this is - is just you not being good enough to out dps bards. It's not about "fair," it's just you and your feelings of inadequacies.

I know plenty of great BLMS can keep up and pass up bards during boss fights. So this truly is just about you.

I actually know the rotation really well. I can explain it to you in full detail if you want? How about flare juggling? yea none of that matters when compared to the bards dps/dots on the move


The basic outline for the rotation is thunder 2 - fire 3 - spam fire 1 until you get firestarter or thundercloud procs (use fire 3 and thunder 3 respectively)
- at around 400-800 mp use blizzard 3- keep using this rotation. At the end you can add flare instead of blizzard 3 and then use convert to add more damage.

This standard rotation is so far away from the bard dps at equal gearing that its laughable. most end game bosses you have to move a lot... and you cant hold your procs for too long
without them expiring due to boss fight patterns.


The reason you start with thunder 2 is because the thunder 3 cast time (once again the cast times) is not worth the dot damage or duration when you can get thundercloud later.

[LunarEmerald]

I can already see Bard being nerfed because people keep bitching about it. Anytime a large portion of people bitch, something gets nerfed.

[Enforcer]

Summoner does the highest dps and overall damage in the game FYI.