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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic View Post
    It keeps coming back to the same question. How is that NOT fair>? How is not catering solely to you not good game design?
    Because you move while casting attacks and have short cooldowns.

    I (a pure dps oriented class) do less damage while staying it the same spot to cast much longer spells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeviathanElite View Post
    Because you move while casting attacks and have short cooldowns.

    I (a pure dps oriented class) do less damage while staying it the same spot to cast much longer spells.
    Go roll Monk. A class that can move and pump out tons of hits and still have trouble registering on the dps meter. You have no idea what's not fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic View Post
    Go roll Monk. A class that can move and pump out tons of hits and still have trouble registering on the dps meter. You have no idea what's not fair.
    A common thing when someone acknowledges they can provide no further points. Attributing to something outside of the direct argument that is barely relevant to the topic at hand.

    I am aware of the monk's problems and they do need a massive buff. But this is the BLM vs Bard thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeviathanElite View Post
    A common thing when someone acknowledges they can provide no further points. Attributing to something outside of the direct argument that is barely relevant to the topic at hand.

    I am aware of the monk's problems and they do need a massive buff. But this is the BLM vs Bard thread.
    I'm sure you think you said something there. But you really didn't. Unless you really did just admit that all this is - is just you not being good enough to out dps bards. It's not about "fair," it's just you and your feelings of inadequacies.

    I know plenty of great BLMS can keep up and pass up bards during boss fights. So this truly is just about you.
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    Last edited by arctic; 09-20-2013 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic View Post
    I'm sure you think you said something there. But you really didn't. Unless you really did just admit that all this is - is just you not being good enough to out dps bards. It's not about "fair," it's just you and your feelings of inadequacies.

    I know plenty of great BLMS can keep up and pass up bards during boss fights. So this truly is just about you.
    I actually know the rotation really well. I can explain it to you in full detail if you want? How about flare juggling? yea none of that matters when compared to the bards dps/dots on the move


    The basic outline for the rotation is thunder 2 - fire 3 - spam fire 1 until you get firestarter or thundercloud procs (use fire 3 and thunder 3 respectively)
    - at around 400-800 mp use blizzard 3- keep using this rotation. At the end you can add flare instead of blizzard 3 and then use convert to add more damage.

    This standard rotation is so far away from the bard dps at equal gearing that its laughable. most end game bosses you have to move a lot... and you cant hold your procs for too long
    without them expiring due to boss fight patterns.


    The reason you start with thunder 2 is because the thunder 3 cast time (once again the cast times) is not worth the dot damage or duration when you can get thundercloud later.
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    Last edited by LeviathanElite; 09-20-2013 at 08:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeviathanElite View Post
    I actually know the rotation really well.

    Well, actually looking at your rotation, this explains a lot. Look, I noticed we're on the same server. I have some blackmages that can give you some feed back on optimizing your rotation and show you how to start "double dipping buffs."

    If you want to take me up on it. I'll be in game about an hour when the servers come back up.
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    I'm perfectly happy with my dps. KTHXBAI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arctic View Post
    Well, actually looking at your rotation, this explains a lot. Look, I noticed we're on the same server. I have some blackmages that can give you some feed back on optimizing your rotation and show you how to start "double dipping buffs."

    If you want to take me up on it. I'll be in game about an hour when the servers come back up.
    ^ If you loved your job, you would take this offer regardless to hear them out. Put your ego aside, there is always room for improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeviathanElite View Post
    Because you move while casting attacks and have short cooldowns.

    I (a pure dps oriented class) do less damage while staying it the same spot to cast much longer spells.
    Uhh, what? BLM's Flare Can do up to 2k if not, more. BLM's do ALOT of DMG (Assuming you know how to play it and good rotations), but i'm going to assume you don't. This is just basically another QQ thread of "I want BLM's to be able to move while casting", which will NEVER happen.
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