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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenBear View Post
    You're not the first to say this, but I've yet to see anyone prove it. If you have a link to a video that shows yourself or some other PLD tanking HM Ifrit and interrupting him, pleas add it as I'm sure everyone would like to see it.

    I don't doubt your claim, but the "stun bot" mechanic has been so prevalent since launch that I feel the only way to banish it from the current meta is to provide hard evidence disproving its necessity.
    This is a rather ridiculous post..."Pics or it didn't happen!". Just because you can't do it or have never seen it happen doesn't mean that a single tank can't handle both tanking Ifrit and stunning Eruption. I've personally done it many times, despite being told it was "impossible". It's merely a case of learning the pattern in his attacks and properly managing your GCD so that you're always ready with the stun.

    Add to this the fact that stunning isn't even necessary to win the fight since by the time you're level 50 you should have learned to not stand in the bad stuff. Eruption is blatantly obvious, it's kinda hard to miss the glowing cracks under your feet.

    What I would suggest to you is grabbing a group from your FC so that you don't have to deal with snobbish DF trash that always seems to show up (yes, I'm talking about the same ones who drop party as soon as they see there's no AoE LB) and practice it. Roll with the standard DF setup of two tanks and just work on timing your GCDs. What I found helped me the most was working as much DPS as I could in between stuns when I was the off-tank, then when I was comfortable with the pattern I just told my group that I wanted to try to tank and stun.

    Just remember that pre-Nails he'll always do an Eruption immediately following the Rush when he lands in front of you and again immediately following his knock back move (can't recall the name of it). Post-Nails it's a simple pattern of Plumes > Plumes > Eruption > Plumes > Eruption > Rush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    This is a rather ridiculous post..."Pics or it didn't happen!". Just because you can't do it or have never seen it happen doesn't mean that a single tank can't handle both tanking Ifrit and stunning Eruption. I've personally done it many times, despite being told it was "impossible". It's merely a case of learning the pattern in his attacks and properly managing your GCD so that you're always ready with the stun.

    Add to this the fact that stunning isn't even necessary to win the fight since by the time you're level 50 you should have learned to not stand in the bad stuff. Eruption is blatantly obvious, it's kinda hard to miss the glowing cracks under your feet.

    What I would suggest to you is grabbing a group from your FC so that you don't have to deal with snobbish DF trash that always seems to show up (yes, I'm talking about the same ones who drop party as soon as they see there's no AoE LB) and practice it. Roll with the standard DF setup of two tanks and just work on timing your GCDs. What I found helped me the most was working as much DPS as I could in between stuns when I was the off-tank, then when I was comfortable with the pattern I just told my group that I wanted to try to tank and stun.

    Just remember that pre-Nails he'll always do an Eruption immediately following the Rush when he lands in front of you and again immediately following his knock back move (can't recall the name of it). Post-Nails it's a simple pattern of Plumes > Plumes > Eruption > Plumes > Eruption > Rush.
    Recall that I stated I believe it can be done. The point of showing proof is to convince the DF a-holes who cuss out PLDs for missing a single interrupt and rage-quit after a single failed attempt. Nothing short of hard evidence will convince them that their method is not the only method.

    Now that I've run this several times (and finally got my weapon) I don't have any trouble interrupting, but I still find the whole Trial horribly dull. It's ridiculously hard when you're new, and ridiculously trivial when you're experienced. 1-button to victory... whoopie...

    As I recall Ifrit pre-Nails does not always Erupt right after Crimson Cyclones. As often as not he'll throw out a fire breath and even one or two knockbacks before he Erupts, and even when he does Erupt first the exact second of it always varies.

    Also, I'm all for people learning to GTFO from AoEs, but post-50% HP Eruptions cover most of the map, so is it really avoidable at that point? Has anyone here successfully run Ifrit HM as a DD/Healer without any Eruptions getting interrupted? We give them a lot of flak for not understanding our role, but do we really understand theirs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrial View Post
    Add to this the fact that stunning isn't even necessary to win the fight since by the time you're level 50 you should have learned to not stand in the bad stuff. Eruption is blatantly obvious, it's kinda hard to miss the glowing cracks under your feet.
    Interrupting Eruptions has the added benefit of charging up your LB bar, especially during pre-Infernal Nails as not interrupting Eruptions in Phase 1 & 2 (before nails) would ensure that you will not have a Lv.3 LB during the Nails phase
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