Players connot join the party while you are engaged in combat

[Peregrine]

Thank you for the response to this, but I think that should be reconsidered. While I think this type of mindset is acceptable in certain situations, those situations should be player controlled situations. When a player gets disconnected, it's not something the player has any control over. If you are going to stick to this mindset, then at least make it so that disconnected players do not leave the party upon disconnecting.

It shouldn't be and hasn't been reconsidered for a reason. You can't differentiate between an illegitimate and a legitimate DC. Period. Most endgame DCs in FFXI were illegitimate and intentional. Most party swaps were illegitimate and intentional. If you allow it, most action will be illegitimate. Some actions are so prone to abuse that they're not allowed to be performed, even by well-intending people. Sorry. That's the way life works, and you are not so revolutionary to come along at your age at this time and suddenly make everyone realize how wrong it is. You're wrong. Society is right.

It works this way for the stability of the society, which is above and more important than your personal wishes.

[Kam]

Most endgame DCs in FFXI were illegitimate and intentional. Most party swaps were illegitimate and intentional.

Logging off/Swapping in and out members was perfectly legit. That's why no one was ever banned for them. And iirc XI's devs stated it wasnt at all against the ToS.


And yes, I'm pretty dispointed about the devs response... Just being able to /pcmd a d/c'd member while mid-fight was another function they forgot from XI.

[Peregrine]

Logging off/Swapping in and out members was perfectly legit. That's why no one was ever banned for them. And iirc XI's devs stated it wasnt at all against the ToS.

Sure looks like it!
Sorry, wrong. It was tolerated. Nothing more. And now it's not tolerated. Whoops! Guess you'll actually have to be good at the fight now.

[Kam]

Sure looks like it!
Sorry, wrong. It was tolerated. Nothing more. And now it's not tolerated. Whoops! Guess you'll actually have to be good at the fight now.

lol not if you ever spent any time talking with GMs. It was proberbly on the jpbutton.com, but the devs on XI gave a clear answer. It was legit.

[Peregrine]

lol not if you ever spent any time talking with GMs. It was proberbly on the jpbutton.com, but the devs on XI gave a clear answer. It was legit.

And it's no longer wanted. You would have raged and cried if they took it away from you back then. That's how much of a problem it was. This is them, effectively not allowing smoking now that they have the opportunity to. Are you allowed to smoke? Sure. Does everyone wish you just didn't? Yeah!

So now you can't. This is their opportunity to implement the right policies from the start so they don't have to deal with bad players using poor tactics.

It wasn't legit. It was an oversight which they have corrected. If you were proud of you being a tolerated oversight, I'm sorry. If the devs respected you for that, they would have let you keep doing it.

They don't. Respect you for that.

[Kam]

And it's no longer wanted. You would have raged and cried if they took it away from you back then. That's how much of a problem it was. This is them, effectively not allowing smoking now that they have the opportunity to. Are you allowed to smoke? Sure. Does everyone wish you just didn't? Yeah!

So now you can't. This is their opportunity to implement the right policies from the start so they don't have to deal with bad players using poor tactics.

It wasn't legit. It was an oversight which they have corrected. If you were proud of you being a tolerated oversight, I'm sorry. If the devs respected you for that, they would have let you keep doing it.

They don't. Respect you for that.

You're completely over-stating the "exploits". lol FFXI was mostly easy. I never used a d/c trick to reset hate. Around 18months ago I was in a ls killing JoL with 7 and 2 dual boxed mules.
I don't know what high horse you think you're on, or what real issue you have with being able to invite people while in combat. And yes, if a member d/c'd in a 7man JoL we weren't fucked. Here if your tank d/cs midfight with GB, totally different story.

Its a basic requirement.

[Ava]

It shouldn't be and hasn't been reconsidered for a reason. You can't differentiate between an illegitimate and a legitimate DC. Period. Most endgame DCs in FFXI were illegitimate and intentional. Most party swaps were illegitimate and intentional. If you allow it, most action will be illegitimate. Some actions are so prone to abuse that they're not allowed to be performed, even by well-intending people. Sorry. That's the way life works, and you are not so revolutionary to come along at your age at this time and suddenly make everyone realize how wrong it is. You're wrong. Society is right.

It works this way for the stability of the society, which is above and more important than your personal wishes.

If it's an illegitimate disconnect, then the party leader can manually remove them from the party. What's the problem? I don't get it. All they have to do is make it so that disconnected players don't drop party when disconnecting, did you even read my post? Because your response doesn't even make sense. I'm guessing you're just trolling eh.

[Kurokikaze]

If it's an illegitimate disconnect, then the party leader can manually remove them from the party. What's the problem? I don't get it. All they have to do is make it so that disconnected players don't drop party when disconnecting, did you even read my post? Because your response doesn't even make sense. I'm guessing you're just trolling eh.

Thats what I assumed a page ago. Theres no way someone could be that big of a moron.

[Peregrine]

If it's an illegitimate disconnect, then the party leader can manually remove them from the party. What's the problem? I don't get it. All they have to do is make it so that disconnected players don't drop party when disconnecting, did you even read my post? Because your response doesn't even make sense. I'm guessing you're just trolling eh.

You clearly don't get it. The party leader approved the illegitimate disconnect. How stupid do some of you all think the developers are? Honestly. I, and they, are covering for the guaranteed scenario where white mages reset their hate levels in rotations so they don't ever get the intended amount of hate. I, and they, are covering the guaranteed scenario that you all don't turn endgame tactics into stupidly cheap job rotations.

And you don't understand any of those core concepts, because to you, you just can't get past the significance of you DC'ing and you wanting back in the party. You want. You should get.

That's how this works in your head, but that's not how society works. You don't understand the implicaitons of your wants. most MMORPG players don't have the development to. That's the primary problem. The developers have made the correct decision.