Tanaka or Yoshi?

[Xmbei]

..... He has been adding in a lot of story content.... THats what all these sidequests are and now we are getting company's.... I have found so much more to do since February in the game... I don't know what game you are playing but he is adding in content first.... and why 4 months later we are getting the start of the battle system... I mean even more content he has added... World NM's which we didnt have before either... All more content in the game to do then what was at release....

[Shai]

You two just carry on, not answering my question.

You guys beat me with your astounding logic skills and your attention to evidence. I like all the links you've provided to these things Yoshida has said and all the evidence to support it.

I am a little mad that we have the start of a new battle system coming in 5 weeks, after a 5 month wait, and not a single word other than "auto-attack" has been said to describe it. That doesn't annoy you?

[Joeking]

You say that (and that's easy to say) but give me evidence of Yoshida making the game profitable.

Compare and contrast Yoshida's last list to the one I provided. Which one sounds better to you?

Tanaka, Dec 2010 vs Yoshida, Feb 2011

Notice I had to go back to February just to find Yoshida's because it was 5 Letters ago (3 mo ago).
Notice everything in Tanaka's letter would have been done by February (March at the latest) if he'd stayed on.

So all Yoshida's done is work on this battle system, then the battle system better be pretty good - because if it's just XI and/or WoW's battle system slapped together and thrown into XIV, I imagine "shareholders" aren't going to be too happy about that, either.

PS - and by shareholders I mean me.

By use of shareholders I was mainly referring to the business aspect and not really your fun and enjoyment since those people more or less don't care. Every game wants to be profitable, though not fixing this will cause their reputation to basically be In ruins.

About the battle systems isn't this what community asked for? But It has, should be more like, other mmo’s. If this turns out to be a horrible failure it’s the communities fault though they will complain anyways saying that the developers didn’t listen correctly.

Edit: This is Final Fantasy I guess by releasing this game the way it was Im guess they expected us to be content with graphics, since if you play FF you must be a graphic "3am girl"(You know what I mean can't use that word here I don't think) even if its just a little.

[Xmbei]

No I am patient and have the ability to wait for something good not bash it before hand... Also give me a sec to find Yoshi stating he is finishing up old teams jobs first and doing his own...

[darkstarpoet1]

So much rage in your posts... u mad bro?

Btw, I know this might be hard to accept but... Tanaka's vision ended the minute the game was released. Everything you see on that list is an attempt to fix errors done 1-2 months prior. It's no longer a vision so much as it is a restoration effort.

Secondly, the reason Yoshi-P decided to work on combat was because of the player poll... Remember when we, the players, voted and said that was the most important thing to fix/rehaul? Selective memory is cool.

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted. don't try telling me making the game loleasy qualifies as content. yes he added low level nm's and lame side quests.

[Shai]

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No, I'm not mad and I'm not ranting. I'm formulating an argument that you two are ignoring because it hurts your stance. I'm sorry I didn't answer your question the first time. I'm not mad at you or anyone in this thread. I want some answers to where XIV is going and I am defending my right to think Tanaka's plan was more inspiring than Yoshida's.

I have plenty of unpopular thoughts and ideas and I'm not afraid to post about them. It's not trolling, though.

[Xmbei]

"By no means have the changes announced by the team up through the end of 2010, including planned adjustments and additions to the Lodestone, been abandoned. I will personally be determining which of these are necessary, and when an implementation schedule becomes clear, I will add it to the list above. I'll have to ask you all to make due with these posts of mine until the official forums are up and running. I'd very much like to be able to put the official forums and further community-based changes on the list by the time of my next post..."
Taken from LftP I which is at this link: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

[Shai]

By use of shareholders I was mainly referring to the business aspect and not really your fun and enjoyment since those people more or less don't care. Every game wants to be profitable, though not fixing this will cause their reputation to basically be In ruins.

About the battle systems isn't this what community asked for? But It has, should be more like, other mmo’s. If this turns out to be a horrible failure it’s the communities fault though they will complain anyways saying that the developers didn’t listen correctly.

Of course, bro, and when I said "me" I meant the player base, because if this battle system sucks or pisses off HALF of the remaining players, what's the future of this game? I think there's a lot riding on this battle system for me, for you, for the game, for the shareholders. Players are what fuel the business. They may have different desires (I want fun. Shareholders want a return on their investment.) but the two exist in harmony, theoretically, or they don't exist at all.

The developers didn't listen. Battle wasn't what players wanted most. They didn't even REALLY ask what kind of battle system we wanted. They certainly aren't sharing with us their ideas for a battle system. They said 1 word "auto-attack" and the internet exploded into (what appeared to be) 2 even factions; the I hate auto-attack and the I love auto-attack (and maybe the "idk, I'll see it when it's released and judge it later" group).

Here's the poll results taken on the battle system (sorta): Battle System Poll Results

Go ahead and read through that and see if you have a general idea of what's going to be implemented in June. Also, if you know, tell me what kind of battle system comes out of a handful of vague questions, because I'm dying to know and no one on the dev team will tell me, yet.

[Shai]

"By no means have the changes announced by the team up through the end of 2010, including planned adjustments and additions to the Lodestone, been abandoned. I will personally be determining which of these are necessary, and when an implementation schedule becomes clear, I will add it to the list above. I'll have to ask you all to make due with these posts of mine until the official forums are up and running. I'd very much like to be able to put the official forums and further community-based changes on the list by the time of my next post..."
Taken from LftP I which is at this link: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102

Thank you for finding that link. I have to say though "I will personally be determining which of these are necessary, and when an implementation schedule becomes clear, I will add it to the list above." means "I will throw out anything on this list that I see fit and you'll never hear about it again."

That's an apt paraphrase of that statement. So he did say he'd be keeping those things, but he also implied he'd throw things that "weren't deemed necessary by him" away. Correct me if you read that sentence any other way.

[Kurokikaze]

once again go look at the polls. battle system overhaul was not the thing the users voted for to be done first. he spit on the poll results and did what he wanted.

Shai corrected me and I am man enough to admit it. Story came first and Battle second... So apparently what you're trying to say is that putting in quests, nms and stuff doesn't count as story-based content? News at 11.

As for why I like Yoshi-P more? Idk let's see...

- Better communication.
- Faster updates. Even if small. You get it when its ready and you don't have to idle around till the next big patch as Tanaka made us do all throughout FFXI and the beginning of FFXIV.
- He understands whats fundamentally wrong with the game and knows what to tackle.
- The minute he stepped in - player poll. Coming way closer to the community than Tanaka ever had in his 9 or so years with XI and XIV.

I could keep going but it doesn't matter... you're so far to the right on this topic that its a waste of time to try to meet at the center (lol who gets it?).

I will say this though... Stop bitching about not hearing from Yoshida or anyone else... No one owes you anything, except Tanaka who owes you a 50-80 bucks spent on this abortion. lol

In response to Shiyo; I'm sorry, I have a very low tolerance for stupidity and you exert a lot of it.