Players connot join the party while you are engaged in combat

[Xenor]

I don't want to be able to invite players while engaged. It gives power to n00bs and retards. I remember the horrors of XI's early days (before rage timers) where LSs would bring 30+ people to Fafnir and zerg it dead in a 5-6 hour fight because they could just keep throwing people at it by booting the dead.

Rage timers prevent that somewhat, but it still makes shit easier for those who don't wish to learn a strategy. Dodore was a hard NM for most LSs on my server back in Jan for example. If they could have booted their dead tanks and added new ones they'd have zerged it dead no problem.

Right, easy solution to satisfy both parties. If the mob is an NM, don't allow invite while engaged, otherwise allow it. It's probably just the easy mode people who want the power to boot their dead and invite others. I've no problem wiping to an NM because half the party DCed and it has happened. It's a price worth paying to prevent the shit XI had.

[Duelle]

I don't want to be able to invite players while engaged. It gives power to n00bs and retards. I remember the horrors of XI's early days (before rage timers) where LSs would bring 30+ people to Fafnir and zerg it dead in a 5-6 hour fight because they could just keep throwing people at it by booting the dead.

This is more a reflection of how bad encounter design was in FFXI, not that dropping and inviting people while in combat was broken or OP.

[darkstarpoet1]

Dodore was a hard NM for most LSs on my server back in Jan for example.

you mean the same dodore that has being solo'd, duo'd, and trio'd since way before the patch that made it loleasy?

I've no problem wiping to an NM because half the party DCed and it has happened. It's a price worth paying to prevent the shit XI had.

and once again people are willing to take things that make the game less fun because they are afraid. i had the same worry of zerging, but was looking at more of once the battle starts the party gets locked so only people in the party could rejoin, but not let in new members. that would solve the same worry without the keeping dc'd people out of the fight.

[Xenor]

you mean the same dodore that has being solo'd, duo'd, and trio'd since way before the patch that made it loleasy?

No one was soloing Dodore in January. But yes certain THM abilities are over powered, doesn't mean an NM is easy however because not everyone had the luxury of THMs tanking it back then. Solo/duo strategy is quite different than when you're bringing a linkshell made up of a variety of classes, sometimes with no THM at all.

and once again people are willing to take things that make the game less fun because they are afraid. i had the same worry of zerging, but was looking at more of once the battle starts the party gets locked so only people in the party could rejoin, but not let in new members. that would solve the same worry without the keeping dc'd people out of the fight.

Can't say I'd disagree with that.

[darkstarpoet1]

No one was soloing Dodore in January. But yes certain THM abilities are over powered, doesn't mean an NM is easy however because not everyone had the luxury of THMs tanking it back then. Solo/duo strategy is quite different than when you're bringing a linkshell made up of a variety of classes, sometimes with no THM at all.

well i am not certain about january, but i am deffinitely sure they were being solo'd in february. i believe my statement you quoted was pre nerf patch. pre nerf patch it was being solo'd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KazOD...DDFC2B1457546D

this was taken 2/28 which was before the neft that lowered the amount of hp on the mobs and reduced the number of minions. i guess i was right.

[Xenor]

well i am not certain about january, but i am deffinitely sure they were being solo'd in february. i believe my statement you quoted was pre nerf patch. pre nerf patch it was being solo'd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KazOD...DDFC2B1457546D

this was taken 2/28 which was before the neft that lowered the amount of hp on the mobs and reduced the number of minions. i guess i was right.

Well I specifically said January. By 28/2 every high rank linkshell on my server was regularly farming it. You're comparing different time periods. Shit changes, people develop better strategies, THMs figure out how to use Emulate etc. My original point was that LSs would have been zerging it by booting dead in January (you're expected to assume mid month when no actual date is given) when they were unable to defeat it with strategy had there been the option.

On a side note, Wutai was a bit behind the curve with Dodore. The doublets were selling for 5mil on other servers by the time linkshells here were farming it. They stayed 10-15mil on this server until the nerf.

I just don't want to see unskilled players beating mobs without strategy before they've learned how to fight it. People will do anything to take down a mob on the first attempt if given the options. I've seen a Dodore fight that lasted an hour that included multiple wipes, the guys were exploiting something to keep claim and reset the rage timer. That's the poor man's way of zerging. They couldn't boot their dead. They just reset, kept claim and restarted. Don't make it easy for them.

You gave a good solution to the problem in your earlier post so there's not much to debate.

[darkstarpoet1]

Well I specifically said January. By 28/2 every high rank linkshell on my server was regularly farming it. You're comparing different time periods. Shit changes, people develop better strategies, THMs figure out how to use Emulate etc. My original point was that LSs would have been zerging it by booting dead in January (you're expected to assume mid month when no actual date is given) when they were unable to defeat it with strategy had there been the option.

On a side note, Wutai was a bit behind the curve with Dodore. The doublets were selling for 5mil on other servers by the time linkshells here were farming it. They stayed 10-15mil on this server until the nerf.

I just don't want to see unskilled players beating mobs without strategy before they've learned how to fight it. People will do anything to take down a mob on the first attempt if given the options. I've seen a Dodore fight that lasted an hour that included multiple wipes, the guys were exploiting something to keep claim and reset the rage timer. That's the poor man's way of zerging. They couldn't boot their dead. They just reset, kept claim and restarted. Don't make it easy for them.

You gave a good solution to the problem in your earlier post so there's not much to debate.

oh believe me i understand the ls i was in back then wiped many times to the dodore. i was just looking at they have ways to solve the issue without hurting the overall game play and fun factor. we cannot base everything in game off what a rmt/zerg party is going to do. they should always keep them in mind, but they should make changes to fix those issues without hurting the player just out trying to have a good time. when a game is struggling anything that takes away from the fun the players that are actually still playing the game to me is not such a good idea.