Is the CD on Dragoon Abilities Too Long?

[Narcariel]

One of the better uses I've seen for Jump so far is to avoid knockback pulses; I know it works on Demon Wall, not sure about Ifrit or anything else. You still take the damage, but the root keeps you on the boss so you don't lose dps while running back.

[Nothv13]

@Nothv13 You have noticed that the Dragoon skills are off global cooldown? You can use them after your... lest say Full Thrust? You'll lose a bit of time because of the animation but you'll still gain DPS. I think the cooldowns are now fine but they should really do something about the fact that you can be hit while jumping.

Yes I have, they don't make up for what was lost though.

[Syloc]

the most problematic thing about jump imho is that the animation takes to long !!! you lose about 1 second due animation and not rly worth it!

[kevhyn]

a traditional dragoon would also be in the air for a long time not attacking the boss...

Yeah, and also do a lot more damage, take FFIV as an example, with elemental weapon against an enemy with elemental weakness you could do the same damage or more as a -ja spell

[Purutzil]

Hmm well dragoon itself is pretty strong as is. Very easy to play and does great damage. The long CD mostly seems to reflect the desire to keep the class as a 'heavy hitter'. Reducing the CD would mean lowering its damage.

That being said, the 'avoidance' deal with not taking damage during jump makes sense... but at the same time its giving an advantage to a class that already has it pretty good. In a way it adds some elements in skill in learning to time the jump in the right way to avoid jumping and getting struck by an AoE... its really a mixed bag for me I guess. I guess giving monk shouldertackle a shorter cd and no stun could make up for it somewhat, but still the advantage of jumping to avoid aoe is quite huge and that change alone wouldn't be enough to balance it out.

[Kroktar]

Animation its too slow imo

[Kiluvian]

All Jumps need to avoid AoE.
Jump, itself, needs to move down to a 20 second cool down, damage scaled appropriately.
Spineshatter Dive needs to lose the stun application and become the heavy single target hitter.
Dragonfire Dive needs to be moved down to a 120 second cool down.
Monks should have a static trait that reduces all AoE damage taken by something like ~33%.
Monks need to have 2 dodge rolls.
Bards need to have songs reduce 50% of their damage instead of 20%.

I mean, Bards and Black Mages can do just as much damage as Dragoons and Monks, and do not have to get out of small AoE's during boss fights. At least give the melee a chance, I can dodge telegraphs just fine, but if they don't even have to, why should I? I don't understand why boss mechanics are only relevant to half of the group/raid.

[vyckers]

Though, I have not seen any numbers yet on the various DPS classes compared to DRG; I do believe that being melee and lacking any escape, other than one jump does hurt the class as a whole. Especially as mentioned before that ranged DPS (or DD), can put out what seems to be at least around the same dmg with less risks.

Though, I do hope that we see some changes with 2.1, some lite adjustments to classes. Such as the jumps allowing DRG to dodge dmg.
Also, we have to think about these abilities operating in PvP; how can a DRG gap close, with such long cool downs and lacking ways to avoid taking access dmg to do so.

[Layenem]

Damage vs CD vs registering all AoE's between jump point and target as damage? Get out of here. The only jump ability I have in my rotation is Jump itself, and even then it's situational because you're stuck in a 2 second animation... and if you're not aware, two seconds is a long time when you've decided to hit jump, it actually triggers a half second after you see an AoE pop up, and most AoE's are less then 2 second cast timers. We shouldn't be afraid to use our own class abilities... Pretty sure BLM isn't. Can't even gap close through tornadoes on Garuda cause you'll eat the damage...

Damage wise though, as a DRG, I parse pretty strong. I'm not even decked out in darklight/AK gear (missing waist, legs, hands still) and I'm doing 220-250 DPS comparable to a BLM who can stand and spam in full darklight/AK gear (both myself and the BLM having Ifrit weapons).

[MalcolmReynolds]

All Jumps need to avoid AoE.
Jump, itself, needs to move down to a 20 second cool down, damage scaled appropriately.
Spineshatter Dive needs to lose the stun application and become the heavy single target hitter.
Dragonfire Dive needs to be moved down to a 120 second cool down.
Monks should have a static trait that reduces all AoE damage taken by something like ~33%.
Monks need to have 2 dodge rolls.

I like these ideas, particularly the monks taking reduced AoE damage as it would allow them to stay in the fight and keep up their GL stacks (unless it's a heavy AoE). I'd be ok with SSD doing the same damage as long as the stun effect was replaced with paralysis, although I'd be equally ok with it having no extra effect and just doing bonus damage.

Also, we have to think about these abilities operating in PvP; how can a DRG gap close, with such long cool downs and lacking ways to avoid taking access dmg to do so.

Kiluvian's idea would be great for this. A 20 second CD on jump with scaled damage without returning you to the original position. It'd be similar to a Warrior's charge in WoW (which was 15 second CD I believe with a short stun) but with a longer CD and a bit of damage. I don't think it'd be OP in PvP because if anyone played Warrior in WoW, you'd know that with a skilled ranged player, that 15 seconds seemed like an eternity.