Is the CD on Dragoon Abilities Too Long?

[Zoot]

Kiluvian's idea would be great for this. A 20 second CD on jump with scaled damage without returning you to the original position. I..........

I would be happy with the current CD on JUMP if it just performed as a real Gap closer (no return) and gave Dragoons damage immunity throughout the animation and for a second after we land. Dragoons need to be about battlefield maneuverability.

All CD's in this game need to be looked at IMO. Take Mercy Stroke from Marauder as an example. At first glance it seems like a cool Execute ability that all Dragoons would want to pick up. Then you see that it's got a 90 sec CD. W...T...F??? Maybe if it came with obscene damage but it's 200 Potency. A 30 sec CD is more in line with an Execute IMO. It needs some kind of CD because of the health return but 90 seconds seems extreme.

[MalcolmReynolds]

All CD's in this game need to be looked at IMO. Take Mercy Stroke from Marauder as an example. At first glance it seems like a cool Execute ability that all Dragoons would want to pick up. Then you see that it's got a 90 sec CD. W...T...F??? Maybe if it came with obscene damage but it's 200 Potency. A 30 sec CD is more in line with an Execute IMO. It needs some kind of CD because of the health return but 90 seconds seems extreme.

Agree with this. I don't know why people keep suggesting picking up Mercy Stroke. Sure it's relatively powerful but that cooldown makes it not worth it at all. It's basically Jump with a 90 second CD without the benefit of Power Surge. I'd rather take a defensive ability and help out my healers out a bit.

[Layenem]

Damage vs CD vs registering all AoE's between jump point and target as damage? Get out of here. The only jump ability I have in my rotation is Jump itself, and even then it's situational because you're stuck in a 2 second animation... and if you're not aware, two seconds is a long time when you've decided to hit jump, it actually triggers a half second after you see an AoE pop up, and most AoE's are less then 2 second cast timers. We shouldn't be afraid to use our own class abilities... Pretty sure BLM isn't. Can't even gap close through tornadoes on Garuda cause you'll eat the damage...

Damage wise though, as a DRG, I parse pretty strong. I'm not even decked out in darklight/AK gear (missing waist, legs, hands still) and I'm doing 220-250 DPS comparable to a BLM who can stand and spam in full darklight/AK gear (both myself and the BLM having Ifrit weapons).

[Kiluvian]

Just consider that in a lot of raid fights, particularly in Binding Coil, almost all of the bosses 360 degree or directional AoE literally every 5 freaking seconds or so.

[OptimalZedd]

drg is currently the lowest dps

ive done many test yesterday and cant go past 200 dps on dummies, when blm doing 250, mnk 230, my brd is under stuffed sso i cannot compare

drg is so slow, jumps animation are longer than gcd making them almost worthless

truly drg is not dynamic, his fun should come from high dmg ws yet i do 800 crit max , when my blm can pull 1600 crit, and pretty consistently 1K+

also i find auto attack is weak compared to mnk...

honestly start to cry, a job like bard who just stay far from trouble when other cut their dps, that can dps while moving , are a support job class, but still doing more dps than you... a bard lol... a "bard", not even archer

things are ridiculus currently

[Layenem]

drg is currently the lowest dps

ive done many test yesterday and cant go past 200 dps on dummies...

drg is so slow, jumps animation are longer than gcd making them almost worthless

So I don't want to come off as a dick, so don't take it that way.

Currently I'm in mostly Darklight/AK gear (ilvl 45-47 legs, hands, waist and 1 ring) and the Ifrit weapon and I'm doing 220-230 DPS on DRG. You might want to check the rotation if you're only at 200 because it sounds like (from what you're critting for) that you've got better gear then me.

The speed of the DRG I enjoy a lot so no complaints there. Definitely not the lowest DPS in instances I run (and this was before the DoTs were being read via the parser) and this is compared to characters that have full darklight/AK/Ifrit+ weapon, so on that note I can't agree.

But the rest I do agree with.

[OptimalZedd]

So I don't want to come off as a dick, so don't take it that way.

Currently I'm in mostly Darklight/AK gear (ilvl 45-47 legs, hands, waist and 1 ring) and the Ifrit weapon and I'm doing 220-230 DPS on DRG. You might want to check the rotation if you're only at 200 because it sounds like (from what you're critting for) that you've got better gear then me.

The speed of the DRG I enjoy a lot so no complaints there. Definitely not the lowest DPS in instances I run (and this was before the DoTs were being read via the parser) and this is compared to characters that have full darklight/AK/Ifrit+ weapon, so on that note I can't agree.

But the rest I do agree with.

yeah maybe im doing something wrong with drg, but also dont run the parser just as some guy on BG do, start parser > CD > rotation > rotation > CD > stop parser

you need at least 40k dmg

i dont know if we have right to post screen of parser here ...

[MalcolmReynolds]

I wouldn't say lowest DPS. I ran that end story dungeon (the name eludes me at the moment...Praetorium?) a couple of times, once with me as the only goon and a second with 3 goons in the party. Second time things seemed to drop much faster. Not sure if it was just due to gear/incompetency but just something I noticed during the run.

I'm not sure how you're calculating your DPS but from what I've heard parsers so far are pretty unreliable. Then there's the variable of your gear/playstyle with DRG vs your other classes. But I do agree with the general sentiment of BRD DPS being kind of high considering they're ranged and not nearly in the line of fire as often as melee jobs.

[OptimalZedd]

parser is working fine, even if its not 100% reliable, it gives you a pretty solid image of the damage dealt

it will always be better than eye balling or "feeling" mob getting down faster with 3 goon

i have almost identical stat, 415 STR, 260 determination, 470 crit rate

still it might be better for aoe, but not by much

[Silvano]

parser is working fine, even if its not 100% reliable, it gives you a pretty solid image of the damage dealt

it will always be better than eye balling or "feeling" mob getting down faster with 3 goon

i have almost identical stat, 415 STR, 260 determination, 470 crit rate

still it might be better for aoe, but not by much

In everything I've run so far, it's BRD/SMN(Think Parser on DoT is buggy though) > BLM/DRG > MNK > WAR > PLD

Its about skill, not about gear. In AK I was out DPSing a full DL/Garuda Dragoon on my two-piece-of-DL-and-GC-gear/Ifrit Dragoon