Tanking Frustration: I blame WoW

[Niyuka]

Its the combination of previous MMOs making tanking easier, and FATE babies who dont know even the least about the game swamping the DF. When I tank, I dont use the DF, and I encourage you to do the same. Its super easy to find people in chat, just stay outside of typical FATE zerg areas, and if these people misbehave, kick them again.

[Furio]

Its the combination of previous MMOs making tanking easier, and FATE babies who dont know even the least about the game swamping the DF. When I tank, I dont use the DF, and I encourage you to do the same. Its super easy to find people in chat, just stay outside of typical FATE zerg areas, and if these people misbehave, kick them again.

As a DK tank in hardcore content in WoW, I'm curious to know what exactly you find more difficult about tanking in ARR. For me, it's practically the same - albeit a bit slower.

[Xariann]

As a DK tank in hardcore content in WoW, I'm curious to know what exactly you find more difficult about tanking in ARR. For me, it's practically the same - albeit a bit slower.

Possibly the fact that tanks got a huge threat boost somewhere during Cataclysm that made mobs stick to them if they sneezed.

[Furio]

Possibly the fact that tanks got a huge threat boost somewhere during Cataclysm that made mobs stick to them if they sneezed.

So you're saying you have threat problems? Granted I only came as far as stone vigil, I never had such problems. Threat is the least of your worries.

It's true that threat in WoW is less of an issue nowadays. But the devs also explained why. Their vision of tanking gameplay was to give tanks a fun rotation where cooldowns, interrupts ans positioning play an important role. Rather than 'stacking sunders for threat'. Anyone who's tanked LK heroic, Anub Arak HC, Sarth 3D, Rag heroic, etc... Knows this. Also, faster threat generation is more important in WoW, because the game play is much faster where FFXIV's is rather static and slow. (Not saying good vs bad btw - that's subjective)

Don't say WoW tanking is "omgzorz easy faceroll" if you've only done dungeons and raid finder. It's stupid.

[Zfz]

So you're saying you have threat problems? Granted I only came as far as stone vigil, I never had such problems. Threat is the least of your worries.

I disagree. I'm also farming Stone Vigil, and it seems that DPS are just generally not very good at their class (or don't pay attention to leveling gear). Every once in a while, I do get a damage dealer that really will ride my threat. Every once in a while. They are rare, but they do exist. It's just hard to pick them out because all the real good ones control their threat so well you don't even realize it. Only the bad ones show themselves by over-taunting.

[Furio]

I disagree. I'm also farming Stone Vigil, and it seems that DPS are just generally not very good at their class (or don't pay attention to leveling gear). Every once in a while, I do get a damage dealer that really will ride my threat. Every once in a while. They are rare, but they do exist. It's just hard to pick them out because all the real good ones control their threat so well you don't even realize it. Only the bad ones show themselves by over-taunting.

Maybe it's because I'm a warrior and you a paladin. But I've never had any threat issues and I pull groups without the need for CC:
Run in --> OP --> Flash --> spread dot --> OP --> flash --> regular rotation

Also worth noting is that I've done this dungeon and the one before this several times with players in AF gear. My gear isn't great, it's decent. You can see it if you have the iPhone app.

On bosses no one ever comes near my threat.

[SatrinaKali]

So you're saying you have threat problems? Granted I only came as far as stone vigil, I never had such problems. Threat is the least of your worries.

WoW tanking in terms of threat was faceroll, it took all of 1-2 seconds to get more threat then anyone else and another 1-2 seconds to get so high no one was going to pull off you unless you died. This was especially true in Cata/MoP. I remember Vanilla where dps had to wait on the 2nd sunder before moving in and to me it wasn't bad game design. It taught patience. In games now, if you arnt top threat in the 1st second, dps is going to pull off you because they just pop all CDs and go balls to the wall. People need to retrain themselves and learn to actually monitor threat. Remember when we had to actually watch Omen? And raid leaders would tell people "Hey, watch your threat, pop a threat diminishing cd".

Also we're warriors, our threat generation is really good. I think people need to let paladins a few extra seconds to control packs just due to their AoE threat not being as great.