For all you warrior tanks out there... end game we are not viable.

[Voraxxis]

Not surprised at all. I started getting this feeling at level 41 on Stone Vigil. When I was getting spammed with Cure 2 to be kept alive while PLD tanks get Cure 1 half the time and are fine. It's sad really.

[Shyle]

Not surprised at all. I started getting this feeling at level 41 on Stone Vigil. When I was getting spammed with Cure 2 to be kept alive while PLD tanks get Cure 1 half the time and are fine. It's sad really.

I can't speak on endgame, but I can say that if you need to be spam healed huge heals as a tank in Stone Vigil, you're not rotating your CDs or you're in subpar gear. I've ran through there in pug groups with no issue (and no CC) pulling full packs with little to no issue.

[SolAeternus]

Not surprised at all. I started getting this feeling at level 41 on Stone Vigil. When I was getting spammed with Cure 2 to be kept alive while PLD tanks get Cure 1 half the time and are fine. It's sad really.

I'll never understand comments like this.


It's not sad at all. PLD is suppose to be the best tank.

People keep complaining like this then PLD ends up becoming worthless and no one plays them and everyone complains about PLD not being able to tank anything.

[Kitru]

PLD is suppose to be the best tank.

Is there *anything* to support this except for the conjecture of PALs? Intelligent game design says that you shouldn't design any one class within a given role to be better than the others. The devs themselves have stated that they want the classes to be *balanced* within those roles.

Both WAR and PAL *should* be able to tank equally well. This means that they should be able to maintain threat roughly on par with each other and mitigate damage roughly on par with each other. Otherwise, one gets played and used disproportionately more than the other thanks to gameplay inequalities influencing player decision. As it stands, PAL is explicitly better: both tanks can generate more than enough threat (which is all that really matters where a tank is concerned; redundant threat is, just that, redundant), but one tank is explicitly better at mitigation. That's not a balanced state and, as such, not something that should be considered an acceptable state of affairs.

Hell, it's not like there's even much question of what needs to be done: give WARs roughly 10% more self healing, either on Defiance itself or by buffing Wrath stacks to 5% instead of 3% and everything will be golden.

[BIGBADWOLF]

Just wondering but wouldn't it also workout if they increase our damage output enough to make up for the lack of heal percentage since our heal is based off our damage delt? This would also generate threat faster too would it not? I'm not entirely sure on all this so I'm asking a question before I come back to see tons of flame posts or people calling me retarded this is a question....So treat it as such.

[Kiteless]

Just wondering but wouldn't it also workout if they increase our damage output enough to make up for the lack of heal percentage since our heal is based off our damage delt? This would also generate threat faster too would it not? I'm not entirely sure on all this so I'm asking a question before I come back to see tons of flame posts or people calling me retarded this is a question....So treat it as such.

No. We only have three skills that heal via attacks. Bloodbath, Storm's Path, and Inner Beast. The heals granted by Bloodbath and Storm's Path are so small that they might as well be insignificant, and to increase our damage output to the point of making them any degree of functional would require us to hit harder than most DPS. Inner Beast, while a solid heal, especially once buffed with Berserk/Inner Release, can only be used with full stacks of wrath, and generally, you'll want to save those until you have Infuriate up (in order to maximize healer's efficiency), so you can't use it very often either. Even using it as much as possible, you won't be able to mitigate damage done to you on a meaningful and consistent level. You're looking at around 15 seconds between each heal, and that's just too much for what you get to be considered viable.

I'll never understand comments like this.


It's not sad at all. PLD is suppose to be the best tank.

People keep complaining like this then PLD ends up becoming worthless and no one plays them and everyone complains about PLD not being able to tank anything.

So... kind of like WAR right now. So what makes it appropriate for WAR to be worthless, but not for PLD? They both are meant to fulfill the same roll. Each class should be able to excel at different things and use different methods, but both should be able to function competently, and largely with similar to equal efficiency, within the same roll, since they are built with the same role in mind.