Thinking of switching to PLD...

[TheWitcher]

I also am sick of having to land 3 combo's before my inferior stance activates, and being super squishy for a tank with bad heals that dont make up for my squishiness at all, it was fun whill it lasted bashing things with my axe but now that i want to farm tombstones as a tank im just going to do it as a PLD as its 5x easier and more efficient

Both Defiance and Shield Oath IMO should give 20% less damage, you're never going to balance a stance that gives flat mitigation vs a small HP buff, Keep Warriors as the the heal tank for flavor, but without 20% less damage theyll never be good as PLD even for AOE tanking which PLD does better still with flash spam and circle of scorn, Overpower runs you out of TP in seconds and only hits in a tiny cone

[Sephirah]

Both Defiance and Shield Oath IMO should give 20% less damage, you're never going to balance a stance that gives flat mitigation vs a small HP buff, Keep Warriors as the the heal tank for flavor, but without 20% less damage theyll never be good as PLD even for AOE tanking which PLD does better still with flash spam and circle of scorn, Overpower runs you out of TP in seconds and only hits in a tiny cone

If I could unlike your post I would.

WAR is fine the way it is, if they also received a 20% less damage buff from Defiance there would be absolutely zero reason for anyone to be a pld. You get more dmg, health, and healing. You don't get to have the increased defense too.

Warriors, stop expecting to be essentially the exact same as pld just with an axe. Your skills are designed to be played differently. If you want to have pld abilities, roll a pld.

[Derpy12]

If I could unlike your post I would.

WAR is fine the way it is, if they also received a 20% less damage buff from Defiance there would be absolutely zero reason for anyone to be a pld. You get more dmg, health, and healing. You don't get to have the increased defense too.

Warriors, stop expecting to be essentially the exact same as pld just with an axe. Your skills are designed to be played differently. If you want to have pld abilities, roll a pld.

Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

[Sephirah]

Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

Read http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ld-Oath/page11 I'd suggest the posts by myself, Kitra and Junk. The class is designed to be played in a different way, they don't mitigate damage the same way as a pld.

By your argument, if they gave a 20% mitigation buff to defiance, it would also be fair for them to give increased hp, health regen, and damage to paladin.

At this time they are both balanced to be viable in their own way, a pld won't be able to tank if they try to play like they are a war, and a war won't be able to tank if they try to play like a pld. Let them each be their own class and stop trying to make them homogenous.

[ReiszRie]

Looking at your characters I don't see a MRD leveled so you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. Also it wouldn't make them the same class PLD has way more mitigation CD's than a WAR does. We have ONE mitigation CD. It would still be different playstyles even with the 20% damage reduction given to both the only difference is BOTH would be viable instead of one.

Shall i request for Shield Oath to also include a 20% max HP buff?

WAR should not be requesting to be given PLD's dmg mitigation yet retaining their large HP pool, DPS, health regen and AoE enmity superiority.

WAR aren't an inferior tank, just like how PLDs will need good gear for end-game tanking, WAR requires the same too.

[Kitru]

WAR is fine the way it is, if they also received a 20% less damage buff from Defiance there would be absolutely zero reason for anyone to be a pld. You get more dmg, health, and healing. You don't get to have the increased defense too.

Anyone who thinks that WARs are asking for a full 20% DR buff has no idea what they're talking about. WARs, at this moment, *do* end up requiring more external healing than PALs because Wrath only provides 15% +healing when it needs to provide 25% to equate to the same effective contributions that PALs get out of Shield Oath's 20% damage reduction. On top of that, it's got problems because Wrath is a consumed resource, which means that it doesn't actually provide the full value thanks to downtime and ramp up time.

WARs and PALs are *close* to balanced, but they are not as balanced as they *should* be. WARs just need to get their healing received increased a bit and some degree of stability for it applied to it. They don't need increased DR.

[Warin]

Not to mention the interrupt mechanic? As a warrior I just have to face tank 50% of boss big nukes (like void thunder III).

Oh Pld has 2.5s cooldown, warrior has 30s wtf?

And warriors have to spec into taunt, and their flash doesn't give blind... Their base combo also doesn't reduce damage by 5%. It's like they gave every tanking ability to paladin then ran out of ideas when it came to Warriors

[Kitru]

Oh Pld has 2.5s cooldown, warrior has 30s wtf?

Keep in mind that the PAL interrupt is on the GCD and has a cost of 110 TP whereas the WAR one is free and off the GCD (albeit on a painfully long delay).

The whole thing with having to spec into Provoke isn't really a big issue given the state of threat generation. Unless you're doing it wrong, you'll have no problems with threat. Blind on Flash is also a pretty mediocre benefit, given the fact that it suffers from diminishing returns like every other status effect and, in my experience, has a minor effect upon hit/miss chance at best.

[Ondesvin]

Keep in mind that the PAL interrupt is on the GCD and has a cost of 110 TP whereas the WAR one is free and off the GCD (albeit on a painfully long delay).

can you get off your high warror are fine horse... K... thx lets move to the point then, - who here as a warrior dont want to have a Stun/interrupt they can fire of when they know a boss will hit you for say 3k damage and you can avoide it with a stun???
every warrior know this painfullly well on boss fight, we interrupt one ability that would hits us for 3k+, and then we tank on for another 15 or 20 sec and that boss start to cast it again and guess what our little "Stun" are still on a CD, so no interrupt, great 3k damage incoming.

PS. if you really want a 30 sec cd stun off GCD, then let us by all means swap the Warrior stun for the Pally stun, but dont whine cry or ragequit when you want it back.

[Kitru]

can you get off your high warror are fine horse...

Uh... wut? Do you not read any of the other threads? I'm one of the people that thinks that WARs need to be buffed to be balanced and actually produces numbers to explain it. I was pointing out that the fact that Brutal Swing is free and off GCD *is* something that you have to consider when discussing it. Just talking about the CD is ignoring all of the other variables attached to balancing an ability. If the game is going to have "this boss must be stunned or else everyone dies" mechanics, the CD on the tank stuns should all be equal to or lower than the use rate on those attacks. That's just proper game design since you need to give the various classes tool boxes that are equally effective to actually have the game be balanced.