To all the SMN QQ

[KingBerry]

Why should i take anything you say seriously when all you do is cry and bash smn?

I bash summoner because it disgusting and it a smack in the face to Final Fantasy fans. I wanted a summoner not a boring class that spams DoT why should I not bash the summoner? It does not play anything like a summoner? You want me to say YES summoner is fine as a DoT class? Im speaking the truth Final Fantasy XIV summoner is disgusting why should I not let my feedback be heard?

You believe summoner is okay as DoT class while his pet really has no purpose? OMG Garuda died well I can just cast it again right away and use cotagion! Okay thanks garuda stay there while I wait for another cotagion OMG SO FUN!. Summoner power should be from the eggi If the summoner looses it he should be really screwed that where you can tell a skilled summoner if he is able to manage his summon correctly. having summoner as DoT you really can't tell if hes good or not and it the truth.

[abesut]

in the worst case pets account the amount of auto attack damage melee classes do. Calling their dmg worthless is like calling your DoTs worthless.

Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>

[Kevee]

and you're deeply naive and in total denial

lol

What kind of damage do you need to catch up to when you have applied 3 DoTs and used a 300 potency off-GCD skill, while your pet is attacking?
If anything, SMN will be the highest right after 3 GCDs, and other people need to catch up. Again, though, this is just after 3 GCDs. Not saying long-term.

DoTs still tick when you're applying your others, it's not like they wait until you have all of them up and then they magically start ticking. By the time you use Bio->Fester, Bio II would have ticked twice and Miasma once. That's 125 potency on top of 300, on top of 3 pet attacks. That's 725 potency. The only class who can even think to match that potency in the first 3 GCDs is BLM, or a MNK who uses Steel Peak and Howling Fist within the first 2 GCDs. DRG can do it if they use Leg Sweep. We still have other options to increase this further, though, unlike those classes(not to mention using stun CDs for DPS isn't always viable. Hello there, ifrit).

Im just writing down all the available skills to summoner from my head I don't use that order even though the order does not matter but yeh I doubt you are better then me. It the easiest class by far and the most boring and I lol when another player who think he is doing it right and that person is doing it wrong especially from a new player. If there is a parser I guarantee you that 2 summoner will have nearly the identical dps if both of them keep all the common sense DoT and use fester. You are in cactuar and im in hyperion remember that.

The simple fact you listed Miasma II in a single target rotation, and then state that "order doesn't matter" speaks volumes.

No, you weren't just "writing them down." You posted a rotation, which is clear when you list Fester twice and Ruin II twice(in a row, which is another sign you don't know what you're doing).

Want me to nitpick more and point out how you posted your rotation? You put Thunder before Bio(LOL, stop being bad), and then implied the use of Virus/Contagion during the GCD before the next skill, Miasma II.

No, they won't. And, again, parses mean nothing at the moment.


I'm tired of people saying the class is bad when they have no idea what they're doing.

Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>

Stop being bad. You can command your pet to go on the tile so it doesn't die from Doom.

"Die a lot endgame?"

To what? The first boss in AV? Demon Wall in AK? That's a lot?

Only worthwhile in terms of damage from being buffed up? Contagion says "Hi!"

Summoner plays nothing like a summoner. feels like playing a warlock/necromancer

That has nothing to do with the balance of the class.

Stop bringing it up like it matters in threads like these.

guess what? I do endgame raids on my SMN, and pets are pretty much worthless in terms of dmg, only use Garuda since she can add a few extra ticks to my dots. My dots do low dmg compared to other DD, and no you can't just spam ruin, while waiting to refresh dots since you will go oom in no time.

They are not. Garuda easily adds ~30 DPS, which factored in with 350 base(no crit) DoT damage every 3 seconds(which is roughly 116 DPS), not including any Ruin, Fester, or damage CDs(RS, Rouse/Spur, Enkindle), and not to mention we can turn our ST rotation into AoE, means we are at least "even" with everyone else, and most certainly viable. Period. Not to mention Contagion+RS, or Contagion+RS+Bane. We, being a DoT class, get a much greater benefit from RS than, say, BLM or BRD. Yes, BLM and BRD have DoTs, but not to the extent or length that SMN does. Also, those damage values are with an Ifrit book. So they can only go up.

You don't go oom when you just use Ruin I unless it's over a long period. You do if you use Ruin II every chance. Ruin II has a place in rotations, and it's when you need to use off-GCD skills. Otherwise you should be using Ruin I.

[Lunasy]

at least some people realize summoner isnt a bad dps class, sure they could use small tweaks here and there, but that comes with being the only class that wasnt "beta tested" sure some of us final fantasy fans see the summoner as a literal summon oriented class, but in an mmo environment honestly something like that just doesnt fit as well as it does in a single player game.

[abesut]

at least some people realize summoner isnt a bad dps class, sure they could use small tweaks here and there, but that comes with being the only class that wasnt "beta tested" sure some of us final fantasy fans see the summoner as a literal summon oriented class, but in an mmo environment honestly something like that just doesnt fit as well as it does in a single player game.

Think Aion and FFXI would like to have a Word with you lol

[Kevee]

Think Aion and FFXI would like to have a Word with you lol

Where they didn't fit? SM had horrible balance issues(still do to this day), and SMNs were used as heal bots/AoE blink from Garuda.

[abesut]

Where they didn't fit? SM had horrible balance issues(still do to this day), and SMNs were used as heal bots/AoE blink from Garuda.

Actually they did fix SMN, we can now raise the avatar lvl way above the max lvl of 99, (up to lvl 113) by equiping a item in our ammo slot, and by doing so raising their overall dmg, hp etc. Not to mention that SMN is quite good atm.
Took them a long time, but SMN is now are a really good pet job, and a good DD. Abyssea can easily be solo'd as a SMN now. :P last time I was asked to heal or be a buffer on my SMN was more than 1.5years ago.
Believe it or not, I'm actually on even footing compared to other DD, except for BLM of course

[Kevee]

Actually they did fix SMN, we can now raise the avatar lvl way above the max lvl of 99, (up to lvl 113) by equiping a item in our ammo slot, and by doing so raising their overall dmg, hp etc. Not to mention that SMN is quite good atm.
Took them a long time, but SMN is now are a really good pet job, and a good DD. Abyssea can easily be solo'd as a SMN now. :P last time I was asked to heal or be a buffer on my SMN was more than 1.5years ago.
Believe it or not, I'm actually on even footing compared to other DD, except for BLM of course

Thanks for proving my point.

[abesut]

Thanks for proving my point.

And no they're not OP as they are now they can just finally be on par with other DD's and in case you didn't know; other jobs can solo abyssea content as well but I Think this will be the end of it, better keep to the topic and game

[Rover1983]

The pets have been the main thing I've been complaining about and how weak they are. Their dmg right now is much less then ours. Much less. I want my pets to do more dmg. I don't mind my personal dmg being lower. I just want stronger pets damnit