To all the SMN QQ

[Malix]

Have you even played summoner? in order for bane to work need to have DoT on the mob and the only mob is titan when he activate the heart you have to recast DoT all over again so how can bane even work? also bane is very unreliable sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't work. You also did not understand the part where in a situation you get stone prison while you have to recast all DoT the rest of the DPS is hammering him down.

Did you read what i said or did you just derp through it. here read this part again "Are you saying you cannot Bane your DoTs onto the Heart?" "if not?". The problem is you think the grass is greener on the other side for some reason. To get your first fester out it takes 3 gcds, by the time you have done your first fester you will be caught up, if you are using cds like every one else. Yes i play a summoner, i have bursted many things down before, in fact in times when we have to kill adds i get and maintain aggro more than those so called other more bursty classes. I also have all 50s so i have a good idea of how bursty a class is, if you are saving your aetherflows like your suppose to getting the burst out is not a problem in the least. You argument would make more sense if the heart was out for less than 10 seconds but even than you could just double cast drain instead.

As someone has pointed out earlier the real issues are not game breaking(when i mean game breaking i mean its not playable unless they add those changes) but more quality of like such as the Bane range for example. Does smn have weakness? sure, does every other class has weaknesses? yes, the problem is you want summoner to have none. They work well in some areas of titan and no so well in others but as long as you are adjusting your play-style for each encounter (which you should be doing regardless of job) than you will get through it fine.

There will always be people who tell you your class sucks based off of a parser that is more useless than useful and you may feel that is does, but in this case try playing around with those classes you think are outperforming you and you will see that its not the case. Of course i have the luxury of playing next to a friend that plays a different DD to see that there is no real difference in burst.

[Palinq]

I find the below twerk would balance the class.

1. Pets command bar need to work on its own and not greyed out when we cast a spell.
2. let us manual click AOE and Stun for our pets instead of auto-casting it. (manual or selection of auto/manual)
3. Pets need to respond to command immediately.

Agree with the ideas behind this post.

Pets should work like any other mmo - abilities have toggles for auto-cast and manual cast. Also, ability commands certainly need to be able to be given at any time. What's the point in having a pet if it is just an auto-turret of spells? Pretty boring.

Why does it matter if Summoners are a dot class? Dots and pets are one of the cliches for MMOs - not just WOW - Aion, Rift, GW2.. the list goes on.. they go well together.

[Kevee]

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

[abesut]

Our dps cant be accurately calculated right now because no parser takes into account 2! of our hardest hitting dots. I dont understand how so many people are making assumptions based on partial evidence.

Just having received ifrit i must say, I dont feel underwhelmed at all he is a good dps pet for both dungeons and questing.

TDLR: Enjoy the huge amount of utility, (Probable good dps) and effective pets!

guess what? I do endgame raids on my SMN, and pets are pretty much worthless in terms of dmg, only use Garuda since she can add a few extra ticks to my dots. My dots do low dmg compared to other DD, and no you can't just spam ruin, while waiting to refresh dots since you will go oom in no time. ppl who Think SMN is perfect right off the bat, is in Deep denial, either that or former WoW nubs. Summoner plays nothing like a summoner. feels like playing a warlock/necromancer

[abesut]

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

and you're deeply naive and in total denial

[Malix]

guess what? I do endgame raids on my SMN, and pets are pretty much worthless in terms of dmg, only use Garuda since she can add a few extra ticks to my dots. My dots do low dmg compared to other DD, and no you can't just spam ruin, while waiting to refresh dots since you will go oom in no time. ppl who Think SMN is perfect right off the bat, is in Deep denial, either that or former WoW nubs. Summoner plays nothing like a summoner. feels like playing a warlock/necromancer

in the worst case pets account the amount of auto attack damage melee classes do. Calling their dmg worthless is like calling your DoTs worthless.

[KingBerry]

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

Im just writing down all the available skills to summoner from my head I don't use that order even though the order does not matter but yeh I doubt you are better then me. It the easiest class by far and the most boring and I lol when another player who think he is doing it right and that person is doing it wrong especially from a new player. If there is a parser I guarantee you that 2 summoner will have nearly the identical dps if both of them keep all the common sense DoT and use fester. You are in cactuar and im in hyperion remember that.

[KingBerry]

in the worst case pets account the amount of auto attack damage melee classes do. Calling their dmg worthless is like calling your DoTs worthless.

You must be wow if you love DoT on summoner and believe the pet damage is fine lol.

[Claire_Pendragon]

The only time summoner's 'weakness' shows is against adds that you need to down quickly. We just don't have the burst of other classes (we have to wait for DoTs to build up). This is a legitimate complaint and one I hope is addressed. I understand that people are upset that the pets aren't a higher percentage of our damage.. but I can understand why summoner is built this way according to the mechanics of THIS particular game.

On another note... I've seen people complain about SMN before they even see what they can do. Summoner is a new class. Yes, all classes were 'rebuilt', but many people playing it really had 'nothing' to go by. Slowly but surely, we are learning what it is all about (the rotation is super easy)... and surprise, it's not a straight-up DD like other classes... and I'm not just talking about the fact that we rely on DoTs. We have a LOT of utility other classes don't necessarily get, but we suffer in our lack of bursts. On some fights where a LOT of adds spawn (even too much for an off tank to handle too well), I can throw Titan at these extra adds to tank them for a while. It works wonders. Also, on boss fights (without adds), I can consistently build myself up to 2nd on the hate list with only a few pieces of darklight. I don't run a parser, but this basically means that I am doing enough damage to be 2nd on the monster's hate list. If the tank dies, I'm the one the boss goes after.

If you are building an ideal party (with a nice balance), throwing in one summoner isn't going to hurt the group at all. ARR seems to be all about keeping your party versatile rather than class stacking like it was in 1.0.

Sorry to jump in here randomly, but I'm not 50 ACN yet, and I plan to be SCH instead, but shouldnt the answer be to have the DoTs on the boss, so when adds spawn, u use bane to spread DoTs instantly? (Followed by physick spam during the swam of adds?)

For the Titan example used already, are most of the "adds" like this, where u cant use bane?

[Malix]

You must be wow if you love DoT on summoner and believe the pet damage is fine lol.

Why should i take anything you say seriously when all you do is cry and bash smn?