To all the SMN QQ

[Palinq]

I find the below twerk would balance the class.

1. Pets command bar need to work on its own and not greyed out when we cast a spell.
2. let us manual click AOE and Stun for our pets instead of auto-casting it. (manual or selection of auto/manual)
3. Pets need to respond to command immediately.

Agree with the ideas behind this post.

Pets should work like any other mmo - abilities have toggles for auto-cast and manual cast. Also, ability commands certainly need to be able to be given at any time. What's the point in having a pet if it is just an auto-turret of spells? Pretty boring.

Why does it matter if Summoners are a dot class? Dots and pets are one of the cliches for MMOs - not just WOW - Aion, Rift, GW2.. the list goes on.. they go well together.

[KingBerry]

Do you mean eggi are needed for end game or Summoners themselves are not needed?

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

[Kevee]

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

[abesut]

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

and you're deeply naive and in total denial

[KingBerry]

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

Im just writing down all the available skills to summoner from my head I don't use that order even though the order does not matter but yeh I doubt you are better then me. It the easiest class by far and the most boring and I lol when another player who think he is doing it right and that person is doing it wrong especially from a new player. If there is a parser I guarantee you that 2 summoner will have nearly the identical dps if both of them keep all the common sense DoT and use fester. You are in cactuar and im in hyperion remember that.

[KingBerry]

Do you mean eggi are needed for end game or Summoners themselves are not needed?

Part 2

Now you finally make it to titan heart which is a DPS race now this is the kicker the smn has to RECAST all his DoT and has to wait that whole minute to start seeing noticeable dps while the other dps is hammering him down fast as possible THIS IS WHERE summoner fails hard. you may say yeh so what after a minute you will be doing damage okay what if titan does the stone prison on u? and you have to recast all those DoT yet again.

Ask anyone or better yet ask you're self if you are doing a dungeon or primal fight would you take a summoner over bard? DRG?MNK?BLM?

But I don't care about a class that uses DoT but on summoner it a joke he should get his power from his avatar and not this whole Dot nonsense.

[Malix]

Part 2

Now you finally make it to titan heart which is a DPS race now this is the kicker the smn has to RECAST all his DoT and has to wait that whole minute to start seeing noticeable dps while the other dps is hammering him down fast as possible THIS IS WHERE summoner fails hard. you may say yeh so what after a minute you will be doing damage okay what if titan does the stone prison on u? and you have to recast all those DoT yet again.

Ask anyone or better yet ask you're self if you are doing a dungeon or primal fight would you take a summoner over bard? DRG?MNK?BLM?

But I don't care about a class that uses DoT but on summoner it a joke he should get his power from his avatar and not this whole Dot nonsense.

Are you saying you cannot Bane your DoTs onto the Heart? Are you saying you cant use ifrit pet to help get quick damage on the heart? if bane works you will get your damage on the target relatively fast, if not? you will be caught up to the other dps by your first fester, need more burst? use a Energy Drain while in the process of applying your DoTs, it is off the GCD. There are ways to get around SMN weaknesses you just do not want to find it.

[KingBerry]

Are you saying you cannot Bane your DoTs onto the Heart? Are you saying you cant use ifrit pet to help get quick damage on the heart? if bane works you will get your damage on the target relatively fast, if not? you will be caught up to the other dps by your first fester, need more burst? use a Energy Drain while in the process of applying your DoTs, it is off the GCD. There are ways to get around SMN weaknesses you just do not want to find it.

Have you even played summoner? in order for bane to work need to have DoT on the mob and the only mob is titan when he activate the heart you have to recast DoT all over again so how can bane even work? also bane is very unreliable sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't work. You also did not understand the part where in a situation you get stone prison while you have to recast all DoT the rest of the DPS is hammering him down.

[Marcusow86]

I find SMN's dps is acceptable, just need to tweak a little here and there.

Our pet's dps isn't low, they are dishing out dmg when other dps and of course our self is running away from RED circle because they simply can (90% reduction on aoe). Same goes to our DOTs, where is the BLM when the boss is dropping AOE? probably hiding somewhere, but with accurate judgement, SMN's DOTs are running all over the boss still.

So we are not in the burst dmg category, deal with it. We have raging strike to compensate, we can assist via eye to eye, virus, etc. Off heal when healer is busy with tank. These are all essential to a critical situation where none other dps able to replace.

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[Ryuko]

The only time summoner's 'weakness' shows is against adds that you need to down quickly. We just don't have the burst of other classes (we have to wait for DoTs to build up). This is a legitimate complaint and one I hope is addressed. I understand that people are upset that the pets aren't a higher percentage of our damage.. but I can understand why summoner is built this way according to the mechanics of THIS particular game.

On another note... I've seen people complain about SMN before they even see what they can do. Summoner is a new class. Yes, all classes were 'rebuilt', but many people playing it really had 'nothing' to go by. Slowly but surely, we are learning what it is all about (the rotation is super easy)... and surprise, it's not a straight-up DD like other classes... and I'm not just talking about the fact that we rely on DoTs. We have a LOT of utility other classes don't necessarily get, but we suffer in our lack of bursts. On some fights where a LOT of adds spawn (even too much for an off tank to handle too well), I can throw Titan at these extra adds to tank them for a while. It works wonders. Also, on boss fights (without adds), I can consistently build myself up to 2nd on the hate list with only a few pieces of darklight. I don't run a parser, but this basically means that I am doing enough damage to be 2nd on the monster's hate list. If the tank dies, I'm the one the boss goes after.

If you are building an ideal party (with a nice balance), throwing in one summoner isn't going to hurt the group at all. ARR seems to be all about keeping your party versatile rather than class stacking like it was in 1.0.