To all the SMN QQ

[Rainsford]

If you wait to use your buffs until Fester is off CD, you're wasting time. And it just gets back to the fact that having to idle your SMN while you wait for Rouse, Spur and Contagion to cast is all time where a BRD is keeping up full DPS.

And the parser does a real good job at accounting for DoTs. Tested it by adding up Bio damage by seeing what numbers popped up and then comparing to what the Parser gave me. Numbers are never more than 1-2% off. That difference does not account for doing 90% of DRG/MNK damage and 50-60% of BRD.

Keep in mind that, as average gear level increases, every class will see the same benefit, while SMNs pets, which account for 20%~ of damage, won't. The DPS gap will only widen over time.

[Karnage720]

Got it, thanks, carry on lol. Getting a lot from of pointers from both sides of the arguement.

[KingBerry]

No, it's not a slow start. Not any longer than other classes.

Do you even have any other class to 50 beside summoner? because telling me it no longer then any classes I have the feeling you only have a summoner to level 50? Why are you even saying this if you don't have experience with other classes? Monk will murder summoner if someone knows how to use it. BARD will murder summoner if someone knows how to use it.

When I speed run keep we had a smn and dragoon in our party and it TOOK forever to kill bosses and smn struggled against demon wall since he can't start dps right away against adds which made it harder for me to heal. Took the same dragoon and monk and we breezed through it. Since that experience we never take smn to any dungeon or boss fight end of story.

[Kevee]

Do you even have any other class to 50 beside summoner? because telling me it no longer then any classes I have the feeling you only have a summoner to level 50? Why are you even saying this if you don't have experience with other classes? Monk will murder summoner if someone knows how to use it. BARD will murder summoner if someone knows how to use it.

When I speed run keep we had a smn and dragoon in our party and it TOOK forever to kill bosses and smn struggled against demon wall since he can't start dps right away against adds which made it harder for me to heal. Took the same dragoon and monk and we breezed through it. Since that experience we never take smn to any dungeon or boss fight end of story.

You kill the adds?

lol

Yep, your DPS is low.

Read what I just wrote and read it slowly it seems you went derp.

Fine, the SMN you had was bad and had low DPS.

But you do, too, with what you're posting.

[KingBerry]

You kill the adds?

lol

Yep, your DPS is low.

Read what I just wrote and read it slowly it seems you went derp.

[shinros]

I do have to say after reaching 45 with my summoner and 47 with my black mage the summoner needs more testing the ramp up time for DOTS is too long in my opinion because there are many dungeons that require quick burst like demon wall etc. This goes back to enkindle the cooldown is too long in my opinion they should also make the pets interact with the spells more shining emerald/contagion is a good place to start.

Plus they need to fix the debuff cap like now before 24 man raids come in cause if they don't I doubt summoner will get much of a place in 24 man raids.

[Shamirah]

Did you do the Wanderer Palace ? With two summoner ? The last boss just die so fast it is not even funny.

[Malix]

If you wait to use your buffs until Fester is off CD, you're wasting time. And it just gets back to the fact that having to idle your SMN while you wait for Rouse, Spur and Contagion to cast is all time where a BRD is keeping up full DPS.

And the parser does a real good job at accounting for DoTs. Tested it by adding up Bio damage by seeing what numbers popped up and then comparing to what the Parser gave me. Numbers are never more than 1-2% off. That difference does not account for doing 90% of DRG/MNK damage and 50-60% of BRD.

Keep in mind that, as average gear level increases, every class will see the same benefit, while SMNs pets, which account for 20%~ of damage, won't. The DPS gap will only widen over time.

Do this test. Apply Bio to a target, look and see if it is ticking the damage or adding a simulated full duration damage. if it is the later than theres your problem. i dont know what u are using but they show miasma and not bio or bio 2. Also, ive mentioned this before but ill dumb it down either further. Cast a spell on a mob and look at the battle log, notice how instead of saying X character did x damage to target it says the target takes x amount of damage. In a group environment that data can be mistakenly placed somewhere else. For example lets say your damage from fester post at the same time as a sch. ruin, there is a chance that he could get credit for that damage towards his ruin as oppose to it properly parsing fester. This is why people need to research how parses work before they try to pass it off as factual evidence.

[Malix]

Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>

My garuda-egi never dies even in intensive fights like titan HM and doom-casting minotaur is a 30ish dungeon so i dont even know why you even brought that up but w/e. Like i said saying garuda-egi is not worth while is saying your DoTs are not worthwhile. literally everything u said is wrong.

[Rover1983]

Hm garuda is rough on the feathers phase because our ramp up time is too long. This is another thing I've been concerned about is how long it takes for us to start doing our dmg. Its too long, 13+ seconds to be precise. Our pets are just additional dots which sucks. Was hoping our pets would dish our more of our dmg.