To all the SMN QQ

[KingBerry]

Do you mean eggi are needed for end game or Summoners themselves are not needed?

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

[Kevee]

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

[abesut]

lol?

You're bad if that's the rotation you use. No wonder you say SMN is bad.

and you're deeply naive and in total denial

[Kevee]

and you're deeply naive and in total denial

lol

What kind of damage do you need to catch up to when you have applied 3 DoTs and used a 300 potency off-GCD skill, while your pet is attacking?
If anything, SMN will be the highest right after 3 GCDs, and other people need to catch up. Again, though, this is just after 3 GCDs. Not saying long-term.

DoTs still tick when you're applying your others, it's not like they wait until you have all of them up and then they magically start ticking. By the time you use Bio->Fester, Bio II would have ticked twice and Miasma once. That's 125 potency on top of 300, on top of 3 pet attacks. That's 725 potency. The only class who can even think to match that potency in the first 3 GCDs is BLM, or a MNK who uses Steel Peak and Howling Fist within the first 2 GCDs. DRG can do it if they use Leg Sweep. We still have other options to increase this further, though, unlike those classes(not to mention using stun CDs for DPS isn't always viable. Hello there, ifrit).

Im just writing down all the available skills to summoner from my head I don't use that order even though the order does not matter but yeh I doubt you are better then me. It the easiest class by far and the most boring and I lol when another player who think he is doing it right and that person is doing it wrong especially from a new player. If there is a parser I guarantee you that 2 summoner will have nearly the identical dps if both of them keep all the common sense DoT and use fester. You are in cactuar and im in hyperion remember that.

The simple fact you listed Miasma II in a single target rotation, and then state that "order doesn't matter" speaks volumes.

No, you weren't just "writing them down." You posted a rotation, which is clear when you list Fester twice and Ruin II twice(in a row, which is another sign you don't know what you're doing).

Want me to nitpick more and point out how you posted your rotation? You put Thunder before Bio(LOL, stop being bad), and then implied the use of Virus/Contagion during the GCD before the next skill, Miasma II.

No, they won't. And, again, parses mean nothing at the moment.


I'm tired of people saying the class is bad when they have no idea what they're doing.

Garuda is like a 100 potency dot with an hp bar. That's pretty much it. And she happens to die a lot in endgame, even in metagame dungeons against certain bosses, do I have to mention the Doom-casting minotaur?
Can't really call that being a summoner. They even took the lazy route of just reskinning carbuncle and slapping an additional 10-15 potency to the attacks/spells. Garuda is only really worthwhile in terms of dmg when you have buffed her up with Rouse and Spur >_>

Stop being bad. You can command your pet to go on the tile so it doesn't die from Doom.

"Die a lot endgame?"

To what? The first boss in AV? Demon Wall in AK? That's a lot?

Only worthwhile in terms of damage from being buffed up? Contagion says "Hi!"

Summoner plays nothing like a summoner. feels like playing a warlock/necromancer

That has nothing to do with the balance of the class.

Stop bringing it up like it matters in threads like these.

guess what? I do endgame raids on my SMN, and pets are pretty much worthless in terms of dmg, only use Garuda since she can add a few extra ticks to my dots. My dots do low dmg compared to other DD, and no you can't just spam ruin, while waiting to refresh dots since you will go oom in no time.

They are not. Garuda easily adds ~30 DPS, which factored in with 350 base(no crit) DoT damage every 3 seconds(which is roughly 116 DPS), not including any Ruin, Fester, or damage CDs(RS, Rouse/Spur, Enkindle), and not to mention we can turn our ST rotation into AoE, means we are at least "even" with everyone else, and most certainly viable. Period. Not to mention Contagion+RS, or Contagion+RS+Bane. We, being a DoT class, get a much greater benefit from RS than, say, BLM or BRD. Yes, BLM and BRD have DoTs, but not to the extent or length that SMN does. Also, those damage values are with an Ifrit book. So they can only go up.

You don't go oom when you just use Ruin I unless it's over a long period. You do if you use Ruin II every chance. Ruin II has a place in rotations, and it's when you need to use off-GCD skills. Otherwise you should be using Ruin I.

[Lunasy]

at least some people realize summoner isnt a bad dps class, sure they could use small tweaks here and there, but that comes with being the only class that wasnt "beta tested" sure some of us final fantasy fans see the summoner as a literal summon oriented class, but in an mmo environment honestly something like that just doesnt fit as well as it does in a single player game.

[abesut]

at least some people realize summoner isnt a bad dps class, sure they could use small tweaks here and there, but that comes with being the only class that wasnt "beta tested" sure some of us final fantasy fans see the summoner as a literal summon oriented class, but in an mmo environment honestly something like that just doesnt fit as well as it does in a single player game.

Think Aion and FFXI would like to have a Word with you lol

[Kevee]

Think Aion and FFXI would like to have a Word with you lol

Where they didn't fit? SM had horrible balance issues(still do to this day), and SMNs were used as heal bots/AoE blink from Garuda.

[KingBerry]

lol
No, you weren't just "writing them down." You posted a rotation, which is clear when you list Fester twice and Ruin II twice(in a row, which is another sign you don't know what you're doing).

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First off using bio causes all skills to go under GCD including thunder. Using thunder you can instantly cast bio right after then use garuda cotagion to keep thunder and bio at the same time limit. Using Ruin II while fester is on cooldown is correct if you don't use Ruin II you obviously don't know what you are doing and missing out on a 7-15% dps. Miasma II then virus ( if you actually believe I use this rotation) is still good since virus does not share GCD with miasma II so you can instantly cast it after. Like I said you are a new player who played WoW you have no clue what you are doing why should I even try to show you im better then you which I am.

[Kevee]

First off using bio causes all skills to go under GCD including thunder. Using thunder you can instantly cast bio right after then use garuda cotagion to keep thunder and bio at the same time limit. Using Ruin II while fester is on cooldown is correct if you don't use Ruin II you obviously don't know what you are doing and missing out on a 7-15% dps. Miasma II then virus ( if you actually believe I use this rotation) is still good since virus does not share GCD with miasma II so you can instantly cast it after. Like I said you are a new player who played WoW you have no clue what you are doing why should I even try to show you im better then you which I am.

I literally laughed out loud.

No wonder you think SMN is weak.

[KingBerry]

I literally laughed out loud.

No wonder you think SMN is weak.

No I dont think it weak I think IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO START DPS. You need to get all DoT and fester to start getting dps while any other dps class can be doing damage while you are taking time casting? That why they are least wanted in dungeons. That why all of sudden I barely see anyone play summoner in my server it a joke really they need to change the class not that it lacking dps but it TAKES TO LONG TO START DPSING.

Im not in the mood to start a flame war with you obviously you love DoT class because you came from WoW but I never played WoW only mmo game I ever played was XI and XIV 1.23.