To all the SMN QQ

[Ryuko]

The only time summoner's 'weakness' shows is against adds that you need to down quickly. We just don't have the burst of other classes (we have to wait for DoTs to build up). This is a legitimate complaint and one I hope is addressed. I understand that people are upset that the pets aren't a higher percentage of our damage.. but I can understand why summoner is built this way according to the mechanics of THIS particular game.

On another note... I've seen people complain about SMN before they even see what they can do. Summoner is a new class. Yes, all classes were 'rebuilt', but many people playing it really had 'nothing' to go by. Slowly but surely, we are learning what it is all about (the rotation is super easy)... and surprise, it's not a straight-up DD like other classes... and I'm not just talking about the fact that we rely on DoTs. We have a LOT of utility other classes don't necessarily get, but we suffer in our lack of bursts. On some fights where a LOT of adds spawn (even too much for an off tank to handle too well), I can throw Titan at these extra adds to tank them for a while. It works wonders. Also, on boss fights (without adds), I can consistently build myself up to 2nd on the hate list with only a few pieces of darklight. I don't run a parser, but this basically means that I am doing enough damage to be 2nd on the monster's hate list. If the tank dies, I'm the one the boss goes after.

If you are building an ideal party (with a nice balance), throwing in one summoner isn't going to hurt the group at all. ARR seems to be all about keeping your party versatile rather than class stacking like it was in 1.0.

[KingBerry]

Do you mean eggi are needed for end game or Summoners themselves are not needed?

Well Eggi need a buff they should be the source of the summoner power not just some useless hello kitty looking pet just for show and yes both. Right now all Summoner can do is use Dot which all share GCD and take forever to get dps started and to be honest IT BORING.

Basically it goes like this

Party joins for titan hard
BLM
WAR
DRG
MNK
SCH
WHM
Bard
SMN

Now for the first 2 minutes who will have a good dps? obviously all DPS beside summoner because he has to use BIO II, Miasma, Thunder, Bio, Virus (Garuda cotagion) Miasma II shadow flare, Fester , Ruin II ,Ruin, II Fester, Repeat, basically it will take you about a minute to catch up to the dps what they did a minute ago. Now think and I mean think look at all these skills a SMN has to do just to keep up with DPS?

[KingBerry]

Do you mean eggi are needed for end game or Summoners themselves are not needed?

Part 2

Now you finally make it to titan heart which is a DPS race now this is the kicker the smn has to RECAST all his DoT and has to wait that whole minute to start seeing noticeable dps while the other dps is hammering him down fast as possible THIS IS WHERE summoner fails hard. you may say yeh so what after a minute you will be doing damage okay what if titan does the stone prison on u? and you have to recast all those DoT yet again.

Ask anyone or better yet ask you're self if you are doing a dungeon or primal fight would you take a summoner over bard? DRG?MNK?BLM?

But I don't care about a class that uses DoT but on summoner it a joke he should get his power from his avatar and not this whole Dot nonsense.

[Malix]

Part 2

Now you finally make it to titan heart which is a DPS race now this is the kicker the smn has to RECAST all his DoT and has to wait that whole minute to start seeing noticeable dps while the other dps is hammering him down fast as possible THIS IS WHERE summoner fails hard. you may say yeh so what after a minute you will be doing damage okay what if titan does the stone prison on u? and you have to recast all those DoT yet again.

Ask anyone or better yet ask you're self if you are doing a dungeon or primal fight would you take a summoner over bard? DRG?MNK?BLM?

But I don't care about a class that uses DoT but on summoner it a joke he should get his power from his avatar and not this whole Dot nonsense.

Are you saying you cannot Bane your DoTs onto the Heart? Are you saying you cant use ifrit pet to help get quick damage on the heart? if bane works you will get your damage on the target relatively fast, if not? you will be caught up to the other dps by your first fester, need more burst? use a Energy Drain while in the process of applying your DoTs, it is off the GCD. There are ways to get around SMN weaknesses you just do not want to find it.

[Nux]

I find the below twerk would balance the class.

1. Pets command bar need to work on its own and not greyed out when we cast a spell.
2. let us manual click AOE and Stun for our pets instead of auto-casting it. (manual or selection of auto/manual)
3. Pets need to respond to command immediately.
4. our bane needs a buff in range.
5. enkindle cd is too long need to reduce the cd a little but i do agree with the dmg.

part 2/2

this summarized what need to be done with SMN in general especially number 1,2 and 3 (and scholar also) it almost impossible to interrupt spells with pet atm unless you have and it took time longer than needed just to cast contagion even in steady mode.

[KingBerry]

Are you saying you cannot Bane your DoTs onto the Heart? Are you saying you cant use ifrit pet to help get quick damage on the heart? if bane works you will get your damage on the target relatively fast, if not? you will be caught up to the other dps by your first fester, need more burst? use a Energy Drain while in the process of applying your DoTs, it is off the GCD. There are ways to get around SMN weaknesses you just do not want to find it.

Have you even played summoner? in order for bane to work need to have DoT on the mob and the only mob is titan when he activate the heart you have to recast DoT all over again so how can bane even work? also bane is very unreliable sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't work. You also did not understand the part where in a situation you get stone prison while you have to recast all DoT the rest of the DPS is hammering him down.

[Shamirah]

Have you even played summoner? in order for bane to work need to have DoT on the mob and the only mob is titan when he activate the heart you have to recast DoT all over again so how can bane even work? also bane is very unreliable sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't work. You also did not understand the part where in a situation you get stone prison while you have to recast all DoT the rest of the DPS is hammering him down.

Yeah. And I assume titan does no aoe at all you can just stand still and cast like a turret, riiiiiiiiiiight ? Stop saying dumb things. You cast your dots, shadowflare and you can dodge every aoe while still doing lots of damage. Meanwhile the other classes (except Bards) are not doing shit. Oh you're stoned ? Well your dots are still hurting the boss. Tell me how well a BLM dps the boss while stoned.

[Jyhnnox]

I only wanted to know why this job is called summoner.
Summoner is not about DoTs its all about burst :X Who thought it would be fun to make the job like that? :X

That's how SE went with it in FFXIV ARR. At this point, deal with it. Either learn to play the class or play a different class until SE decides to change the whole class mechanic, which they won't. The only thing they can do to quick fix is change current summoner job name to elementalist or something. Then create a new separate SMN class.

Ya, I probably gonna call myself Dotmage and live with that. I dont dislike the job itself, just find "summoner" a very misfitting name for it.

[nimuniverse]

That's how SE went with it in FFXIV ARR. At this point, deal with it. Either learn to play the class or play a different class until SE decides to change the whole class mechanic, which they won't. The only thing they can do to quick fix is change current summoner job name to elementalist or something. Then create a new separate SMN class.

[Juumix]

I've played with some excellent summoners. In a tank 'n' spank situation where a BLM can just stand and shoot, it will excel, in heavy movement situations, the summoner will more than likely do more damage than a BLM. BLM is low mobility, high dps, high burst. Summoner is high mobility, above average dps(agree with enkindle cd too long), and low burst. Overall that's a damn good balance, and having both in a party is downright amazing on the spellcaster dps front.